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Old 01-23-2006   #1
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Well one thing I have read today that makes me happy is that the team makeup, assistants, etc will be on Kubiak's shoulders. We need to be able to pinpoint who is doing what. I do find this article funny though because Justice is such a Casserly homer but then throws him under the bus in the this article. True words but typical of the flip-flop.

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I was under the impression that Cass got all of his player input from his coach's and scouting department. Wasent it Caper's who pushed for Wand and Caper's coaching staff who pushed for Babbin and Pbuc? Yes hollings was all Cass, but that is Cass trying to pull out a diamond in the rough. And yes Cass is looking like he likes to over pay his players. If I was McNair I would have shot Cass for giving away your first day draft to a division foe, and then turn around and do it again the next year. That right there is what should have gotten him fired. As far as picking players go, he is going by his charts and going by the info his scouts and coach's are giving him.

Its not all Cass and for Justice to blame everything on Cass is just typical of his steller journalism(I heard that he gets paid a hundred grand a year to right that stuff)

Of course I would still have fired Cass, the entire coaching staff and the scouting department. Just b/c your coach's rant about a certain player dosent mean you have to sell the farm for them.
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Typical Justice article. He structures his articles as if his opinion is the only one that matters. I ignore most of what he writes.
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Typical Justice article. He structures his articles as if his opinion is the only one that matters. I ignore most of what he writes.
That's why it's called an "opinion" column. Agree or disagree, but column's are written with a viewpoint in mind. They are not meant to be nuetral. They are meant to be one author's opinion only. For the record, I agree with him. I think Reeves and Cass together over the long term is not a good arrangement. I would have fired Cass, but my "opinion" is that Mcnair realizes that Cass has one more year on his contract. He is keeping Reeves around as his ace in the hole. If he decides Charlie has to go, then Reeves is right there to fill those shoes, and can hit the ground running. JMO.
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I agree that any man can have an opinion. Here is the capper though. When he first started writing his Save Casserly pieces a couple of months ago, I got peeved and sent him a letter that also got printed in the Chronicle telling him that he was a fool and that he was letting Cass skate. He wrote me back explaining away his bad drafts and moves as coaching decisions. Maybe he had time to reflect but in this article he pretty much says what I wrote him(taking no credit ) that Cass had to sign off on them. Anything to make a point I guess.
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Casserly's "bad drafts" are a myth IMO. People are taking a few noticable picks that didnt pan out and claiming that Casserly's drafts all sucked.. its just not true.

His FA moves have been horrid though.
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I agree with SheTexan, remember his R.I.P. with the Astros last year?
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I'll take a John McClain article over a Richard Justice article 9 times out of 10. Justice seems to shift with the breeze more than that plastic bag in American Beauty. I find his articles to have limited information or purpose. I usually am not this mean when it comes to the media, but I just don't like his input.
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I cannot stand any of the writers for the chronicle. They change their stance nearly every week. First they hate you, then they love you kinda thing. Example: Astros last season. It is pointless to say we should emmulate the Steelers. Newsflash guys the Steelers are in the Super Bowl. Every team in the nfl should emmulate them.
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Does it seem stupid to anyone else that all the sportswriter is saying is we should copy the team going to the superbowl?
Here, let me take a stab at sportswriting:

Rockets should mirror Pistons.
Astros should mirror White Sox.
Texans should mirror Steelers.

Man thats easy, a bad team should start playing like a good team....and problem solved!
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I hate to break this to you, but these newspaper "writers" (notice I didn't say journalists) are no different than anyone who posts on this message board, except they get paid for it. They're nothing more than professional bloggers.

And as far as them having an opinion, that's fine. The problem, as someone has mentioned already, is that they flip-flop constantly. I've seen Justice do it the very next day. They don't have an opinion, they're just trying to sell newspapers. And for the record, I haven't bought a Chronicle in years because of it.
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I hate to break this to you, but these newspaper "writers" (notice I didn't say journalists) are no different than anyone who posts on this message board, except they get paid for it. They're nothing more than professional bloggers.

And as far as them having an opinion, that's fine. The problem, as someone has mentioned already, is that they flip-flop constantly. I've seen Justice do it the very next day. They don't have an opinion, they're just trying to sell newspapers. And for the record, I haven't bought a Chronicle in years because of it.
I agree with you Speedy. I don't have the data but I'm sure that the "writers" probably just did a cut and paste with the Patriots as the team to emulate from last year.
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Im actually working on getting my education so I can become one of these "writers".. so it looks like ill fit perfectly .. I AM one of the people who posts on this messageboard and im a notorious flip-flopper

I promise when I am writing for a paper, Ill write the truth, and not just write something to sell papers.. so i expect ya to buy my paper
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I agree with Porky and Speedy. This is just an opinion peice, and we get tons of those in the forum. At least around here we try to hold each other somewhat accountable for flip-flopping, but there are no such checks and balances over at the Chronicle.

With that in mind, I would rather our team mirror the New England Patriots. Three Superbowl championships in four years is never a bad thing.
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Casserly's "bad drafts" are a myth IMO. People are taking a few noticable picks that didnt pan out and claiming that Casserly's drafts all sucked.. its just not true.

His FA moves have been horrid though.
Pretty much. Every GM is going to bust a couple of times, I used to be firmly on the fire-Casserly bandwagon and depending on how this offseason goes, I might head up that parade again. But looking back over his drafts, he has had some good success: just wish his mid-round (2-3) picks were more solid: we have almost always come up empty there.

Free agency, though, has been lacking.
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Pretty much. Every GM is going to bust a couple of times, I used to be firmly on the fire-Casserly bandwagon and depending on how this offseason goes, I might head up that parade again. But looking back over his drafts, he has had some good success: just wish his mid-round (2-3) picks were more solid: we have almost always come up empty there.

Free agency, though, has been lacking.
He had some finds but he wasted way too many picks 2-4 if you ask me. Not only that but it is more who is passed up compared to he took. He made some good deals for picks in Washington but was run out of town for who he took most of the time. I don't think the guy knows talent and I don't think finding 2-3 diamonds in 4 years makes up for the rocks and the deals.
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It is an opinion piece plain and simple. He has not found the Holy Grail as his points do not parallel our station in life, as a team.

Kubiak will have a lot of control, in my opinion, to stamp his identity on this team immediately as any new coach is given the ability to mandate as such.
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I agree with SheTexan, remember his R.I.P. with the Astros last year?
Remeber it, Hell I had my Dad ship a copy up to Dallas so I could read it, then in about August I was cleaning out my desk, found the article, laughed and had it framed. Pissess off all my friends here who are Ranger fans.
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I do find this article funny though because Justice is such a Casserly homer but then throws him under the bus in the this article. True words but typical of the flip-flop.
Justice's last two or three columns have been critical of Casserly. If fact, the one on Jan 9 was downright brutal - > http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...e/3576638.html

But, he has done a 180 since the Dec. 4 column where he said Casserly should not be fired because he did all the things that he said he didn't do in that later article.

He also wrote a column in mid-December where he said Vince wasn't ready for the NFL.

Whether you agree with what he's saying or not, and regardless if he's consistent (remember he may not have totally gelled his opinions either, because of writing on impulse) the purpose of the column is to inspire debate and get thoughts and ideas out to the masses. If you're looking to a sports columnist for guidance, lord help ya.

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Casserly has been misunderstood thats all, I've been against his picks all along but never understood his role completly, seems he just did the background work and focused on each prospects outlook then this information was acted upon mostly by the coaches. I now beleive Casserly knows the draft as well as anyone, but gets swayed or over ruled too often to blame him for this mess. I would like to see what he could do by trading down, Ferguson looks like just what the Texans need at LT. But we also need to get a pass rushing DE like a Tamba Hali, Penn State. As a draftnik the more picks the better, I would feel if given the opportunity Casserly would agree

As far as Justice I like him as a writer, journelist and interviewer, he does excell in some sports better than others like Baseball
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