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Old 01-19-2006   #1
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Couple of interesting items from Ben Mallers Rumor Page

Posted January 19, by Ben Maller

The Cowboys now have to decide who will replace Sean Payton. Parcells called the plays in 2003 and 2004 and could do so again. However, someone must take over Payton's role in game planning and as the passing game coordinator. Options on the staff include receivers coach Todd Haley and offensive line coach Tony Sparano, who served as the running game coordinator. The Cowboys could also look at former Houston Texans offensive coordinator Chris Palmer.

Also: maybe this is who we need here.

Carl Mauck's second tenure as Chargers offensive line coach ended after just one season when he was fired yesterday. His departure was more a result of what he brought to the team than what he lacked as a coach. "He's a terrific guy," head coach Marty Schottenheimer said. "He worked as hard as anybody. But the approach, the philosophy, were different." While Schottenheimer said the differences were solely between him and Mauck, there was tension elsewhere as well. Some offensive linemen had expressed the belief that Mauck's aggressive style was not what the unit needed. Also, Mauck's loud and somewhat insolent way of communicating differed greatly from that of other offensive coaches.

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That would be sweet!!! We play the cowboys and would know how to stop the Run Run Pass Punt offence!!!!
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Palmer would be reunited with Bledsoe and would be a far more effective OC than he was under Capers. Parcells isn't Martz but he's a helluva lot less conservative than Dom.
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Palmer has coached under Parcells before so he would know what he is getting into. Parcells is willing to throw the ball when he thinks its the most effective way to win. Think Bledsoe threw over 600 times one of his NE seasons under the Tuna.
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That would be sweet!!! We play the cowboys and would know how to stop the Run Run Pass Punt offence!!!!
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Palmer would be reunited with Bledsoe and would be a far more effective OC than he was under Capers. Parcells isn't Martz but he's a helluva lot less conservative than Dom.
Once again, I'll say it: Palmer was a scape goat. The problem was Pendry (and Fangio).
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Palmer was a scapegoat and Fangio was the problem on defense. Pendry was a problem in '04 and '05 but Dom's overriding philosophy was the real problem on offense throughout.

Not that Palmer was totally blameless or a great OC or anything like that, but he had to work within that framework.

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Palmer was a scapegoat and Fangio was the problem on defense. Pendry was a problem in '04 and '05 but Dom's overriding philosophy was the real problem on offense throughout.
Yeah, I agree. I quoted you and forgot to say that I agree.
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Options on the staff include receivers coach Todd Haley and offensive line coach Tony Sparano, who served as the running game coordinator.
off subject, but i thought that said 'Tony Soprano' at first. LOL
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I don't think Palmer will be so bad with another team. I really think that Dom Caper's philosophy held back Palmer from running the offense the way he would have wanted. Capers being a defensive mind coach wanted to win games by not losing them. Palmer being only the OC was subject to that philosophy and thus his hands were tied, so to speak.
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Palmer has coached under Parcells before so he would know what he is getting into. Parcells is willing to throw the ball when he thinks its the most effective way to win. Think Bledsoe threw over 600 times one of his NE seasons under the Tuna.
Yup, Bledsoes highest mark for pass attempts was, I believe, under Parcells. Bledsoe also had some big games just this past season so I don't think this would be a horrible move.
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off subject, but i thought that said 'Tony Soprano' at first. LOL
At least we would know things are getting taken care of! LOL
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I think Palmer does well with an established offense. Brunell was the most successful with him as the OC. I think he struggles to develop talent from scratch though.
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The one I am really curious about is Pendry. I'd like to know what poor team got him.
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The one I am really curious about is Pendry. I'd like to know what poor team got him.
Probably no one. Wasn't he out of football when we hired him?
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Good.

Just as we got snookered and received Phyllis Buchanon....I hope the Cowboys get conned into thinking Palmer was "just in a bad position in Houston, he'll do fine with us...."

I honestly have zero understanding as to how and why this guy was ever a hot commodity in the NFL. Puzzling.
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Good.

Just as we got snookered and received Phyllis Buchanon....I hope the Cowboys get conned into thinking Palmer was "just in a bad position in Houston, he'll do fine with us...."

I honestly have zero understanding as to how and why this guy was ever a hot commodity in the NFL. Puzzling.
Hasn't looked good so far, but to hold out a ray of hope look at the example of Deltha O'Neal. He was a 1st round (15th pick) on his athletic ability but after flashing some ability in Denver had worn out his welcome and was getting limited play time and I believe Denver even wanted to convert him to WR. He went to the Bengals and has become a star in their system with 14 picks in two years. Maybe a coach who better utilizes his skills will be able to get Buchanon to have a similar transformation to let his 1st round (17th pick) ability come to fruition. At this point we have to hope so.

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O'Neal conceded that Denver coach Mike Shanahan had given up on him.

"I probably was having a terrible season," he replied when he was asked about that. "It's just business. Mike Shanahan and I were always friends. I'm moving on."
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I'm not looking for a complete transformation of every player, but I will bet we are going to see some dramatic jumps in performance in players next year under a D not directed by Fangio.
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I say good riddance to Palmer, I never really liked him ever since the team started, and that would be nice to see him go to the Cowboys and either ruin their offense or else show that he is a decent coach and that for whatever reason it just didn't work out here, rather than supporting the idea that he was a bad hiring decision. Either way that would be a win-win in my mind, either he shows he was a decent decision on our part that just didn't work out, or he drags the Cowboys offense down the drain.

Another interesting thing I had heard, Vic Fangio is supposed to be interviewing for the Packers DC job. At least with the Packers he can run his soft cover 2 defense out of a 4-3 with a decent pass rush rather than trying to run it out of a 3-4 like he did here, although if I remember right he did have a short stint with Indy and Dungy said his defenses were too complicated and too soft. I see that dropping the Packers even farther down the ranks of defenses in the NFL, and there's not much room for them to fall as it is.

I agree with Infantry that hopefully PBuch will turn things around, he has the athletic ability to do great. On a side note, their rookie year, I loved getting PBuch and Deltha on Madden together since they were both really fast, had good hands, and they were young. That aside, both have been disappointing for the majority of their careers, but Deltha has finally turned things around in Cincy, so hopefully Buchanon can do that here too, Jerry Gray could be a good guy to do that for him if he does become our DC.

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I saw good riddance to Palmer, I never really liked him ever since the team started, and that would be nice to see him go to the Cowboys and either ruin their offense or else show that he is a decent coach and that for whatever reason it just didn't work out here, rather than supporting the idea that he was a bad hiring decision. Either way that would be a win-win in my mind, either he shows he was a decent decision on our part that just didn't work out, or he drags the Cowboys offense down the drain.
Actually Palmer has had very impressive offenses in his non expansion gigs. This was Capers offense...Palmer was just a scapegoat.
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Hasn't looked good so far, but to hold out a ray of hope look at the example of Deltha O'Neal. He was a 1st round (15th pick) on his athletic ability but after flashing some ability in Denver had worn out his welcome and was getting limited play time and I believe Denver even wanted to convert him to WR. He went to the Bengals and has become a star in their system with 14 picks in two years. Maybe a coach who better utilizes his skills will be able to get Buchanon to have a similar transformation to let his 1st round (17th pick) ability come to fruition. At this point we have to hope so.

I'm not looking for a complete transformation of every player, but I will bet we are going to see some dramatic jumps in performance in players next year under a D not directed by Fangio.
Excellent point. I agree that having a new defensive coordinator who emphasizes his teams strengths will have a big impact on the overall level of play. Also if Kubiak is able to bring our offense to even the middle of the pack among NFL teams it could mean a more rested defense that doesn't have to hold opponents below 13 every game due to an inept offense.
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