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texan279 · 01-19-2006

per Cold Pizza...Insider on the show (cannot remember his name) said a "little birdie told him" about this

jacquescas · 01-19-2006

we have the tackles for it just not the ends. Maybe babin can do it but not peek.

texan279 · 01-19-2006

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Originally Posted by jacquescas

we have the tackles for it just not the ends. Maybe babin can do it but not peek.

He said something about Babin and Peek at DE and something else about the tackles. I honestly do not know where he got this from since we have no coach. Unless the little birdie is Kubes...

SBTexans08 · 01-19-2006

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Originally Posted by texan279

per Cold Pizza...Insider on the show (cannot remember his name) said a "little birdie told him" about this

Little birdies....there's tons of 'em and they all have something to say. How much stock you put in them is your (in general...not you specifically) deal though.

Thanks for sharing...

Grid · 01-19-2006

at 250 pounds.. Peek is small but not TOO SMALL to play a 4-3 end. And last season he showed that he was capable of bulking up.. he may be able to bulk up a bit more and still keep his speed and quickness.

ccdude730 · 01-19-2006

does kubes know enough about our defensive personel to say we would work best in a 4-3?

personally, id wait for the DC to decide that

El Tejano · 01-19-2006

Everytime I watch Cold Pizza I realize how much they don't know about us.

Big B Texan Fan · 01-19-2006

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Originally Posted by El Tejano

Everytime I watch Cold Pizza I realize how much they don't know about us.

They should call it Old Pizza

LORK 88 · 01-19-2006

We could pull it off if we get 2 years to do it. We obviously have some good DTs to work with, and I think it would really help out TJ if we switched to the 4-3. Babin might be able to switch, if he added some weight. Peek would work as a pass rusher, in the mold of Robert Mathis, however we would still need to look to the draft or FA to get the other DE.

At LB, Wong could work in the middle or strongside, while Greenwood might actually be solid on the weakside. But again, we're a player short on D. I think we move Wong back to strongside and draft a good MLB like Abdul Hodge in the 2nd becuase its alot easier to find good MLBs than it is OLBs.

Our secondary wouldnt change much, but we would still need to find a clearcut #2 CB. Wether it be Faggins, Buchanon, or a offseason pickup is yet to be seen, but we need someone to step up. Depending on how we feel about Glenn Earl, we might need another SS. I didnt get to watch him play at all, so Im not going to say much about him.

MorKnolle · 01-19-2006

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Originally Posted by LORK 88

We could pull it off if we get 2 years to do it. We obviously have some good DTs to work with, and I think it would really help out TJ if we switched to the 4-3. Babin might be able to switch, if he added some weight. Peek would work as a pass rusher, in the mold of Robert Mathis, however we would still need to look to the draft or FA to get the other DE.

At LB, Wong could work in the middle or strongside, while Greenwood might actually be solid on the weakside. But again, we're a player short on D. I think we move Wong back to strongside and draft a good MLB like Abdul Hodge in the 2nd becuase its alot easier to find good MLBs than it is OLBs.

Our secondary wouldnt change much, but we would still need to find a clearcut #2 CB. Wether it be Faggins, Buchanon, or a offseason pickup is yet to be seen, but we need someone to step up. Depending on how we feel about Glenn Earl, we might need another SS. I didnt get to watch him play at all, so Im not going to say much about him.

I largely agree with you, our team is definitely lacking a true MLB, but I'm not sure if there are any really good ones in the draft, so for now Wong could stay at MLB and Greenwood and Orr could play our OLB positions. We would need to bring in one more DE during the offseason and need Buchanon to step it up or bring in a new CB, Faggins isn't fast enough or tough enough to be a main #2 CB, Buchanon at least has the speed if he elevates the rest of his game.

jacquescas · 01-19-2006

remember along the defensive line and linebacker position there will be some play in free agency as well

HJam72 · 01-19-2006

Sometimes I think those little birdies are nothing but posts on this website.

rmartin65 · 01-19-2006

Babin can switch, Peek can't. Maybe Pettway from the practice sqaud can.

MorKnolle · 01-19-2006

Pettway is less of a DE than Peek. Peek could at least be a situational pass rusher right now, and if he gains 15-20 lbs. he could be a more full-time pass rusher, which is what he needs to do, that is definitely his strength being told to do nothing but hunt the QB down rather than having to mess with coverages and all that.

rmartin65 · 01-19-2006

Pettway is an inch taller and 5 pounds heavier than Peek.

Coach C. · 01-19-2006

I look at it that we could do it this year if we wanted to. Peek and Babin can play weakside end and then draft Mario Williams or someone else to play the Strongside. Orr, Wong, and Greenwood could cover the LBs with Rocky McIntosh likely taking over in the middle when he is ready. JJ from USCarolina is a good corner and plays alot like D-Rob except a little bigger and slower. We have the ability, problem is we need to make sure Earl and CC can play that SS posistion and make tackles and our FS needs to ballhawk pretty well, I recomend maybe Cedric Griffin or Daniel Bullocks possibly. We have a good rotation of DTs and we have enough LBs to make it work also Will Witherspoon may be out there to grab, but he would be costly and we just cannot afford to spend much more on LBs. Our backup LBs are decent enough though with Polk, Evans, and Andersen if they stay, but Andersen and Evans could likely be replaced by rookies. All in all we have the pieces. I am still a fan of the 3-4 and when ran correctly it is devastating. Kubes should bring Slocum in as a defensive consultant.

MorKnolle · 01-19-2006

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Originally Posted by rmartin65

Pettway is an inch taller and 5 pounds heavier than Peek.

He is a little bigger than Peek but having seen the two of them in person before I think Peek looks more suited to be a DE and looks like he could add weight more easily, plus Peek has experience as a DE in college and I don't know if Pettway has ever played it or not.

rmartin65 · 01-19-2006

Pettway played DE in college. I have not seen either of them in person so you are probably right about Peek looking more like a DE.

JDizzle · 01-19-2006

All the more reason to trade down for Kiwanuka or Williams.

run-david-run · 01-19-2006

I think we should at least give the 3-4 one more shot, when run aggressivley. Of course, the players opinion's should also factor in to the decision, players like DRob have already stated their displesure with the 3-4, of course, it was run by fangio...

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texan279 Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Rosenberg TX Age: 34 Posts: 5,560 Rep Power: 538	Texans possibly switching to 4-3 per Cold Pizza...Insider on the show (cannot remember his name) said a "little birdie told him" about this __________________ Fire It Up, Let the engines roll, It's time to burn it down

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LORK 88 Wreck'em Ŧech! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Tech Age: 26 Posts: 1,205 Rep Power: 201	We could pull it off if we get 2 years to do it. We obviously have some good DTs to work with, and I think it would really help out TJ if we switched to the 4-3. Babin might be able to switch, if he added some weight. Peek would work as a pass rusher, in the mold of Robert Mathis, however we would still need to look to the draft or FA to get the other DE. At LB, Wong could work in the middle or strongside, while Greenwood might actually be solid on the weakside. But again, we're a player short on D. I think we move Wong back to strongside and draft a good MLB like Abdul Hodge in the 2nd becuase its alot easier to find good MLBs than it is OLBs. Our secondary wouldnt change much, but we would still need to find a clearcut #2 CB. Wether it be Faggins, Buchanon, or a offseason pickup is yet to be seen, but we need someone to step up. Depending on how we feel about Glenn Earl, we might need another SS. I didnt get to watch him play at all, so Im not going to say much about him. __________________

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Coach C. Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SE Houston Posts: 1,422 Rep Power: 10	I look at it that we could do it this year if we wanted to. Peek and Babin can play weakside end and then draft Mario Williams or someone else to play the Strongside. Orr, Wong, and Greenwood could cover the LBs with Rocky McIntosh likely taking over in the middle when he is ready. JJ from USCarolina is a good corner and plays alot like D-Rob except a little bigger and slower. We have the ability, problem is we need to make sure Earl and CC can play that SS posistion and make tackles and our FS needs to ballhawk pretty well, I recomend maybe Cedric Griffin or Daniel Bullocks possibly. We have a good rotation of DTs and we have enough LBs to make it work also Will Witherspoon may be out there to grab, but he would be costly and we just cannot afford to spend much more on LBs. Our backup LBs are decent enough though with Polk, Evans, and Andersen if they stay, but Andersen and Evans could likely be replaced by rookies. All in all we have the pieces. I am still a fan of the 3-4 and when ran correctly it is devastating. Kubes should bring Slocum in as a defensive consultant. __________________ "Inconsistency is the only thing in which men are consistent" — Horace Smith. 12-7 Aggies!!!

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run-david-run Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The University of Texas Age: 24 Posts: 3,370 Rep Power: 1329	I think we should at least give the 3-4 one more shot, when run aggressivley. Of course, the players opinion's should also factor in to the decision, players like DRob have already stated their displesure with the 3-4, of course, it was run by fangio... __________________ Andre Johnson is The Answer

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jacquescas Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 1,323 Rep Power: 10	we have the tackles for it just not the ends. Maybe babin can do it but not peek.

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Grid Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,299 Rep Power: 2271	at 250 pounds.. Peek is small but not TOO SMALL to play a 4-3 end. And last season he showed that he was capable of bulking up.. he may be able to bulk up a bit more and still keep his speed and quickness.

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HJam72 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Over here. Age: 40 Posts: 10,472 Rep Power: 18004	Sometimes I think those little birdies are nothing but posts on this website.

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rmartin65 I'm Score Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 23 Posts: 7,492 Rep Power: 19221	Babin can switch, Peek can't. Maybe Pettway from the practice sqaud can.

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MorKnolle Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,210 Rep Power: 0	Pettway is less of a DE than Peek. Peek could at least be a situational pass rusher right now, and if he gains 15-20 lbs. he could be a more full-time pass rusher, which is what he needs to do, that is definitely his strength being told to do nothing but hunt the QB down rather than having to mess with coverages and all that.

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JDizzle Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,842 Rep Power: 1891	All the more reason to trade down for Kiwanuka or Williams.

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