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Old 01-18-2006   #1
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Just was thinking about this on the way home. I hear and agree Bush is a great talent, but there are questions about his durability in the NFL. What if we were to trade down and get Brick later in the draft and milk the draft system for everything it is worth, 2nd this year and a 1st next year and go after a certain OU running back by the name of Peterson (should have gone to Texas) Now if anyone resembles the legendary Earl #34 it is that kid. He can certaining be a top NFL RB.
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Just was thinking about this on the way home. I hear and agree Bush is a great talent, but there are questions about his durability in the NFL. What if we were to trade down and get Brick later in the draft and milk the draft system for everything it is worth, 2nd this year and a 1st next year and go after a certain OU running back by the name of Peterson (should have gone to Texas) Now if anyone resembles the legendary Earl #34 it is that kid. He can certaining be a top NFL RB.

thread number 5,323,343,779,453 on this subject....please take your number sir and try again later
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what it really comes down to is the Texans don't need a running back. They go three deep in good ones. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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I say if there is any trading going on it's with us and the saints.
Pure crystal ball stuff here (sorry jerek, you may wanna close your eyes).
Saints fall in love with bush and want him to become the new face of the franchise as they want to move and since SA is out of the question the owner will eventually succumb to the NFL and move to LA by the 08' season.
They fear with all the talk by us of taking him #1 (smokescreen finally worx 4 us) so they offer up a player (Stallworth maybe, or maybe a DE) and their rd2 pick.
We still get Young and we traded down and we only hurt the bush lovers . The trade down guys are a little happy (very little), the Young guys are very happy.
That leaves us with 2 rd2 pix 2 rd3 pix and Young. We can address OL TE DE OL again. Not in that particular order either.

OK jerek, you can look now.
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I say if there is any trading going on it's with us and the saints.
Pure crystal ball stuff here (sorry jerek, you may wanna close your eyes).
Saints fall in love with bush and want him to become the new face of the franchise as they want to move and since SA is out of the question the owner will eventually succumb to the NFL and move to LA by the 08' season.
They fear with all the talk by us of taking him #1 (smokescreen finally worx 4 us) so they offer up a player (Stallworth maybe, or maybe a DE) and their rd2 pick.
We still get Young and we traded down and we only hurt the bush lovers . The trade down guys are a little happy (very little), the Young guys are very happy.
That leaves us with 2 rd2 pix 2 rd3 pix and Young. We can address OL TE DE OL again. Not in that particular order either.

OK jerek, you can look now.
Interesting idea but I don't see the Saints suddenly deciding to keep Aaron Brooks and replace Deuce McAllister rather than keeping their stud RB and getting rid of the QB that they're displeased with. However, I agree with an earlier post that if we are going to get a RB, it would be nice to trade down and acquire an extra 1st rounder next year and grab Adrian Peterson.
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IF we take that approach (playing for Peterson) - then we should also:
-trade #1 for a much as we can get
-trade for future picks (trades like -#33 and a future 3rd for a future 1st)
-trade what little talent we have for future picks
(Dunta for . . . , AJ for . . . ., sadly that is about all we have that will bring future firsts)
-draft a couple of OL in the third (we could trade them for future picks but we need OL to protect Peterson when he gets here right)

We COULD end up with as many as 10 (or more) first round picks next year (#1 could equal 5 or six through trades, AJ could be 3 and Dunta could be 2), but I doubt we do it.

I don't think the owners could do that with a straight face.

The funny thing will be is fi we take Bush - and then we end up having a chance at Peterson (which I doubt, I think SF has the worst record locked up for a couple of years - no playmakers and no D).
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I say if there is any trading going on it's with us and the saints.
Pure crystal ball stuff here (sorry jerek, you may wanna close your eyes).
Saints fall in love with bush and want him to become the new face of the franchise as they want to move and since SA is out of the question the owner will eventually succumb to the NFL and move to LA by the 08' season.
They fear with all the talk by us of taking him #1 (smokescreen finally worx 4 us) so they offer up a player (Stallworth maybe, or maybe a DE) and their rd2 pick.
We still get Young and we traded down and we only hurt the bush lovers . The trade down guys are a little happy (very little), the Young guys are very happy.
That leaves us with 2 rd2 pix 2 rd3 pix and Young. We can address OL TE DE OL again. Not in that particular order either.

OK jerek, you can look now.
Better yet, the saints make a trade with us. We get the #2 & Deuce McAllister, they get Carr & the #1. We draft VY, and have Deuce & DD in the stable.
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Better yet, the saints make a trade with us. We get the #2 & Deuce McAllister, they get Carr & the #1. We draft VY, and have Deuce & DD in the stable.
This thread has quickly gotten out of control. For what it's worth, I would prefer David Carr and Reggie Bush over Vince Young and Deuce McAllister.
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Adrian Peterson will be one of the top 3 picks next year. HOPEFULLY, we will not be in a position to take any of these top 5's if we play our cards right this draft. I see it next year as;

#1 - Brady Quinn - ND QB
#2 - Adrian Peterson - OU RB
#3 - Tedd Ginn Jr. - Ohio State WR
#4 - Paul Posluszny - Penn State LB
#5 - Dwayne Jarrett - USC WR
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Interesting idea but I don't see the Saints suddenly deciding to keep Aaron Brooks and replace Deuce McAllister rather than keeping their stud RB and getting rid of the QB that they're displeased with. However, I agree with an earlier post that if we are going to get a RB, it would be nice to trade down and acquire an extra 1st rounder next year and grab Adrian Peterson.
That is what all the carr lovers want to do. Keep the marginal QB yet replace the good RB
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what it really comes down to is the Texans don't need a running back. They go three deep in good ones. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
damn right. domanick davis will do just fine. reggie is gonna get shalacked in the NFL.
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Standard post for all "forget Bush, DD is the man" threads.

Reasons DD is not a solid #1 RB:
1. DD is injury prone.
2. DD has 4 100 rushing games every year. I realize his YPG is high, but we need a RUNNING back. We need someone who can get more 100 yard games and help control the clock. Portis had 9 100 yard games this year which is the reason Washington is in the playoffs (and he can pass block - but he sucks for fantasy because he doesn't score)
3. DD is injury prone.
4. We need a RB that can pass block, which DD can't. If he could block better, Carr would have had a lot more time to throw to WRs instead of dumping off to DD. Side effect: As our OL improves, we should throw more to WRs and less to RBs, which means DD value will decrease
5. DD is injury prone.
6. DD does not break long runs. Even when DD gets a big hole, he gets caught. We need a RB that is threat to take it to the house if he breaks through the line. DD had 2 games this year where he had 44 yard runs, and didn't score (note that both of these games were against Tenn who was terrible this year). His next longest run was 29 yards, and didn't score (against Balt). After that his longest rushing gains per game were: 19, 18, 15, 13, 12, 11, 7, and 6 (nad his previous years are similar). His longest pass catches were 30 and 33 yards. He just isn't fast.
7. DD is injury prone.
8. DD does not score rushing TDs. He had 2 rushing tds all year. Arguably this is an anomaly for this year, or it could be a trend.
9. Did I mention DD is injury prone?

Untrue Bush comparisons:
(I think everyone admits he is fast(4.28 40), can catch and has awesome juke moves - I taped his games against UT and UCLA and watched some of his runs in slow motion, the only thing I could say is WOW) (before watching those games I was in the "trade the pick" category, as I have been since year one)
1. He can't pass block: The dude is a great blocker - as other posters have attested to.
2. He is too small and weak to go inside: He benches over 400 pounds, is 6 foot and 205 pounds (Terrell davis size).
According to CBS: Alexander is 5'11 and 220; LJ is 6'1 and 230; LT is 5'10 and 220; Tiki is 5'10 and 200; EJames is 6' and 215. So, it's not his size or strength that is the problem (Carroll played to the strength of each of his stud RBs - Bush's speed and White's size - but that doesn't mean Bush can't get his inside - watch the UCLA game film for proof). Also, like most RBs, he will add about 20 pounds of bulk over the next two years.
3. He is too . . . . err... that's about it.

DD's limitations aside, I have no problem keeping DD, as a complement to Bush. If we can't get anything for him, keep him (and trade Morency for a 4th or keep him too). It would be nice to have depth and strength at a position (especially RB due to the higher injury % for RBs).
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Adrian Peterson will be one of the top 3 picks next year. HOPEFULLY, we will not be in a position to take any of these top 5's if we play our cards right this draft. I see it next year as;

#1 - Brady Quinn - ND QB
#2 - Adrian Peterson - OU RB
#3 - Tedd Ginn Jr. - Ohio State WR
#4 - Paul Posluszny - Penn State LB
#5 - Dwayne Jarrett - USC WR
#1 Troy Smith
#2 Adrian Peterson
#3 Brady Quinn
#4 Dewayne Jarrett
#5 Teddy Ginn

:P

IMO Jarrett would be the best receiver this year if he were able to declare. He's like a faster Mike Williams.
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has awesome juke moves - I taped his games against UT and UCLA and watched some of his runs in slow motion, the only thing I could say is WOW)
Did you slow-mo the portion of the game where he was on the sideline while white was the feature back. While white carried the running game on his back. Was his attempted lateral legal or was it illegal, not that it matters, he pissed away a scoring opportunity for his team. Slow-mo catches everything.
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Did you slow-mo the portion of the game where he was on the sideline while white was the feature back. While white carried the running game on his back. Was his attempted lateral legal or was it illegal, not that it matters, he pissed away a scoring opportunity for his team. Slow-mo catches everything.
So, one mistake and he sucks. Well, DD fumbled a couple of years ago, we should have cut him then?

I gotta admit that White had a great game (Lutui was clearing huge holes). He might even be a good NFL running back. But, that doesn't change the fact that Bush could be great - SPEED KILLS.

Also, it wasn't that Bush had a bad game, Carroll just stuck with White because he was abusing the Texas D (USC scored on 5 straight possession before the last 2 to end the game).
BUT, I bet he wishes he had switched it up a little on that key second to last possession when White DIDN'T get that yardage and even fumbled once:

1st-10, USC34 3:58 L. White rushed up the middle for 3 yard gain
2nd-7, USC37 3:16 M. Leinart passed to D. Jarrett to the right for 10 yard gain
1st-10, USC47 3:08 L. White rushed to the right for 3 yard gain
2nd-7, 50 2:26 M. Leinart incomplete pass to the left
3rd-7, 50 2:22 L. White rushed up the middle for 5 yard gain. L. White fumbled. S. Smith recovered fumble
4th-2, TEX45 2:13 L. White rushed up the middle for 1 yard gain
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That is what all the carr lovers want to do. Keep the marginal QB yet replace the good RB
Carr is better than Aaron Brooks. Domanick Davis is not as good as Deuce McAllister. Reggie Bush would give our offense another playmaker and that "homerun threat" as people like to call it. He could bring some very enticing new things to our offense. That said, I am not in the Reggie Bush camp, my personal preference would be to trade down, but I can understand the point of adding Reggie Bush to our team much more so than bringing Vince Young to the team.
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Carr is better than Aaron Brooks. Domanick Davis is not as good as Deuce McAllister. Reggie Bush would give our offense another playmaker and that "homerun threat" as people like to call it. He could bring some very enticing new things to our offense. That said, I am not in the Reggie Bush camp, my personal preference would be to trade down, but I can understand the point of adding Reggie Bush to our team much more so than bringing Vince Young to the team.
Carr v Brooks. I'm not gonna touch that one.
DD v Duece. I'm with that.

People just think that we've got a good team and all we need is bush and were a playoff contending team.
Wrong answer.
We need a change at QB, not a tweakin' with our current QB
Look, why change everything that you would normally change when you go 2-14 if you're gonna keep the QB who is spiralling downward that Weinke path.
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Carr v Brooks. I'm not gonna touch that one.
DD v Duece. I'm with that.

People just think that we've got a good team and all we need is bush and were a playoff contending team.
Wrong answer.
We need a change at QB, not a tweakin' with our current QB
Look, why change everything that you would normally change when you go 2-14 if you're gonna keep the QB who is spiralling downward that Weinke path.
I don't think Bush is going to magically come in and change our team, but I don't think Vince is either. I think Bush has the ability to make more of an immediate impact than Vince. Like I said, I think the best thing for this team is to trade down, and I don't agree that either Vince or Bush is the one and only solution that will change everything. I do not think we need to change our current QB, but that's my opinion and you obviously think we do need to change it. I also like the fact that Bush can come in and add to our talent core that we've accumulated (granted it is small, but we do have some good players and I count David Carr with that group), whereas Vince will require taking a piece out of what we've established.
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what it really comes down to is the Texans don't need a running back. They go three deep in good ones. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Portland didn't need a shooting guard either.
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If you have Gary Kubiak as your head coach, you need many different RBs. Bush and Davis will by far be the best he has ever had to work with.
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