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Old 01-13-2006   #1
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Default Bush/Sanders Comparison

Much speculation has been made over Bush's durability based on his stature and relatively light carry load at USC. I thought it might be interesting to compare some numbers with an NFL running back who had a decent career, and to whom Bush has been compared.

Bush
height 6' 0"
weight 200lb

Barry Sanders
height 5' 8"
weight 200lb

Bush Stats (this year, not including Rose Bowl)
carries 187
games 12
avg carries/game 15.6

Sanders Stats (career)
carries 3,062
games 153
avg carries/game 20

So what did this small statured running back named Barry Sanders acheive in his NFL career?

*Second-leading rusher of all time (15,269 yards).
*109 career touchdowns (99 rushing, 10 receiving).
*76 total 100-yard rushing games.
*Holds all-time NFL record for consecutive 1,000-yard seasons (10, 1989-1998).
*Tied for NFL record for total 1,000-yard rushing seasons (10).
*Holds Detroit Lions records for most yards rushing (15,269), most touchdowns (109) and most rushing touchdowns (99).
*Second all-time in career rushing yards.
*10-time Pro Bowl selection (1989-1998 seasons)
*Nine-time Pro Bowl participant (missed 1993 due to injury)
*Five-time NFC rushing leader
*Holds NFL single-season records for most 100-yard rushing games and most consecutive 100-yard games (14 in 1997).
*Played in one NFC championship game.
*1997 The Sporting News Player of the Year.
*1989 The Sporting News NFL Rookie of the Year.
*1988 Heisman Trophy winner.

Things that make you go Hmmmmmm......
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Much speculation has been made over Bush's durability based on his stature and relatively light carry load at USC. I thought it might be interesting to compare some numbers with an NFL running back who had a decent career, and to whom Bush has been compared.

Bush
height 6' 0"
weight 200lb

Barry Sanders
height 5' 8"
weight 200lb

Bush Stats (this year, not including Rose Bowl)
carries 187
games 12
avg/game 15.6

Sanders Stats (career)
carries 3,062
games 153
avg/game 20

So what did this small statured running back named Barry Sanders acheive in his NFL career?

*Second-leading rusher of all time (15,269 yards).
*109 career touchdowns (99 rushing, 10 receiving).
*76 total 100-yard rushing games.
*Holds all-time NFL record for consecutive 1,000-yard seasons (10, 1989-1998).
*Tied for NFL record for total 1,000-yard rushing seasons (10).
*Holds Detroit Lions records for most yards rushing (15,269), most touchdowns (109) and most rushing touchdowns (99).
*Second all-time in career rushing yards.
*10-time Pro Bowl selection (1989-1998 seasons)
*Nine-time Pro Bowl participant (missed 1993 due to injury)
*Five-time NFC rushing leader
*Holds NFL single-season records for most 100-yard rushing games and most consecutive 100-yard games (14 in 1997).
*Played in one NFC championship game.
*1997 The Sporting News Player of the Year.
*1989 The Sporting News NFL Rookie of the Year.
*1988 Heisman Trophy winner.

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wow...you did your homework. Although i will say that in todays nfl, defenses are BIGGER, STRONGER, FASTER, overall much better athletes.
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Much speculation has been made over Bush's durability based on his stature and relatively light carry load at USC. I thought it might be interesting to compare some numbers with an NFL running back who had a decent career, and to whom Bush has been compared.

Bush
height 6' 0"
weight 200lb

Barry Sanders
height 5' 8"
weight 200lb

Bush Stats (this year, not including Rose Bowl)
carries 187
games 12
avg carries/game 15.6

Sanders Stats (career)
carries 3,062
games 153
avg carries/game 20

So what did this small statured running back named Barry Sanders acheive in his NFL career?

*Second-leading rusher of all time (15,269 yards).
*109 career touchdowns (99 rushing, 10 receiving).
*76 total 100-yard rushing games.
*Holds all-time NFL record for consecutive 1,000-yard seasons (10, 1989-1998).
*Tied for NFL record for total 1,000-yard rushing seasons (10).
*Holds Detroit Lions records for most yards rushing (15,269), most touchdowns (109) and most rushing touchdowns (99).
*Second all-time in career rushing yards.
*10-time Pro Bowl selection (1989-1998 seasons)
*Nine-time Pro Bowl participant (missed 1993 due to injury)
*Five-time NFC rushing leader
*Holds NFL single-season records for most 100-yard rushing games and most consecutive 100-yard games (14 in 1997).
*Played in one NFC championship game.
*1997 The Sporting News Player of the Year.
*1989 The Sporting News NFL Rookie of the Year.
*1988 Heisman Trophy winner.

Things that make you go Hmmmmmm......
Lets not compare him to Barry because he has Never played in a NFL game. Major difference there... Bush has NO record in the NFL, so ranking him to NFL stats are quite misleading
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haha lets compare bush to B. Sanders, i mean besides his height and weight i dont see much in common i mean reggie hasnt even played in a NFL game yet, so to put him among nfl legends is kinda dumb.
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Lets compare Bush with Eric Metcalf!
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How about we compare Reggie Bush to Reggie Bush.

There is no point in setting extremely lofty goals just so you can be disappointed when he doesn't meet them.
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Um... I'd rather have someone Sanders' size at RB than Bush's size. I think an important thing to look at is weight/height ratio.

Sanders, while shorter, was also much thicker. IMO having a "thick" body is important in a player's ability to take punishment.

Bush, at 6'0, has a thinner frame than Sanders, which is why many have doubts about his durability.
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Lets not compare him to Barry because he has Never played in a NFL game. Major difference there... Bush has NO record in the NFL, so ranking him to NFL stats are quite misleading
Kind of like everyone comparing VY to DC ones in college the other in the pros,where everything is faster,the players are bigger etc etc.
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I wouldn't be surprised if when they measure Bush with the NFL scale and tape, that he's not 6'0" 200. He looks just a smidge shorter for sure. He's prettty close to Tiki Barber if you're looking for a modern physical comparison.
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haha lets compare bush to B. Sanders, i mean besides his height and weight i dont see much in common i mean reggie hasnt even played in a NFL game yet, so to put him among nfl legends is kinda dumb.
The whole point of the thread was Bush's stature and carry load, as compared to one of the NFL greats.

The whole rap on Bush to this point, has been his size and the fact that he hasn't carried the ball a lot per game. This thread shows Barry Sanders' size is slightly smaller, and his carry load was not much more than Bush's 15.6 per game.

Not properly understanding the point of this thread is kinda dumb.
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How about we compare Reggie Bush to Reggie Bush.
When compared to Bush, Bush is really pretty average.
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5'8" 200 is very different from 6'0 200. The 5'8" guy is significantly thicker. Barry's legs were huge. I wouldn't be too concerned about Bush's size, he can put on weight. He's gotta change his style to be an effective inside runner, though.

Barry carried the ball 344 times his junior year. He proved himself to be a horse in college, Reggie got about half those carries this year (187). Until Bush proves himself to be a workhorse back, I won't see him as one. Sure, Lendale White had a lot to do with Reggie Bush not getting a ton of carries, but Reggie has his limitations. He was conspicuously absent in short yardage situations, 4th and 2 in the Rose Bowl, goal line situations.

Barry Sanders was never a great short yardage back either, but that was probably due to the fact that for a sizable chunk of his career he was in one back sets.
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Bush, at 6'0, has a thinner frame than Sanders, which is why many have doubts about his durability.


You call this having a thin frame???

The dude is ripped for his size!

Barry Sanders definately was not this big. He had big legs, but he did not have a bigger upper body than Bush.
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I've watched Barry Sanders play LIVE. Don't even waste your breath trying to compare the two. It's like constantly trying to find someone to compare to Michael Jordon. It's a big waste of time. Don't compare Reggie Bush to any of the greats. He's got a lot to prove before he can even be mentioned in the same breath. There is proven and there is speculation...two very different things. Don't get caught up being a speculator.
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as far as their bodies are concerned, they weigh the same but barry was about 4 inches shorter - center of gravity is lower and he is thicker.

as far as their abilities are concerned, barry had more moves. moreover, barry accomplished all that he did at okie state playing on a crap team with no talent other than himself. bush played on a team stocked with nfl talent on his o-line, a first round pick at the other rb position, a first round pick for a wr, etc.,

bush is more similar to desmond howard or rocket ismail - electrifying college players who were/are undersized for traditional positions. you want to waste a no. 1 overall pick on a desmond howard or rocket ismail?!
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as far as their bodies are concerned, they weigh the same but barry was about 4 inches shorter - center of gravity is lower and he is thicker.


Barry is definately not thicker than Reggie.


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bush played on a team stocked with nfl talent on his o-line, a first round pick at the other rb position, a first round pick for a wr, etc.,
First off, Bush never played with a first round pick of a WR. He benefitted playing with a great college QB and complimentary RB to back him up. But i'm pretty sure those same exact players would say their success had alot to do with playing on a team with the talent of a Reggie Bush. Plus there's other successful running backs in the league that played in a similar situation in college. Cadillac Williams

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bush is more similar to desmond howard or rocket ismail - electrifying college players who were/are undersized for traditional positions. you want to waste a no. 1 overall pick on a desmond howard or rocket ismail?!
This is a matter of your opinion. You are not speaking any truth to this matter at all.
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I think Reggie has the size to be used in a role such as Tiki Barber, Marshall Faulk. Take a look at what Warrick Dunn does with his small stature. Reggie's what...20 years old? He has plenty of time to put on extra weight and bulk up for the NFL game as well.
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He has plenty of time to put on extra weight and bulk up for the NFL game as well.


Do people not consider this bulk???

IMO, the guy has perfect size to be a RB in this league, the only thing needing change is for him to show the critics that he can be just as successful running between the tackles and being an every down back.
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I think it's really funny how people try saying being 4 inches shorter and weighing the same doesn't make you thicker. The pictures are funny too, lets take a picture of Barry where he looks tiny and Reggie where he's flexing.

I don't care how jacked his arms are. If you want the most ripped arms in the league then trade for Michael Pittman. Weight matters and strong legs matter, upper body strength isn't the biggest deal. Although I did hear Reggie Bush benched like 450. He's a strong kid.

Barry carried it 30 times a game at OSU, thats a far cry from 16 per game behind the nation's best OL. All the flexing in the world isn't going to change that.
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Its not like Reggie was asked to carry the ball 30 times and couldnt do it. They had LenDale White too, and he needed some carries as well.

Bush carried the ball 23 and 24 times against Fresno and UCLA and ended up with 294 yards and 260 yards. i know those arent good teams and im not expecting those numbers to translate to the NFL, but Reggie Bush is the real deal.

LenDale never carried the ball more than 24 times in a game either.
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