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Old 01-13-2006   #1
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Anyone else think that if we can get Maurice Stovall out of Notre Dame in a later round that he would be a very good 2nd receiver opposite of Johnson. At 6'5" 220 lbs, he is a very big target and is a legitament deep threat, which we need more than just andre for that. Just a thought since no one is talking about taking a receiver in the draft.
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Anyone else think that if we can get Maurice Stovall out of Notre Dame in a later round that he would be a very good 2nd receiver opposite of Johnson. At 6'5" 220 lbs, he is a very big target and is a legitament deep threat, which we need more than just andre for that. Just a thought since no one is talking about taking a receiver in the draft.
It's a novel idea, but reciever is not anywhere close to a top need. Mathis suits me as our #2 reciever, with armstrong/gaffeny in the slot.
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I don't know if you noticed but Mathis was not very good this season as a wr. I know he didn't get on the field that much but when he did he didn't look all that good. He had the one 35 or so yard td reception and that was all that impressed me from the offensive side of the ball. I do like Stovall and would be trilled if we got him.
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It's a novel idea, but reciever is not anywhere close to a top need. Mathis suits me as our #2 reciever, with armstrong/gaffeny in the slot.
thats why i said one of our LATER round picks if hes still availible. And a number 2 receiver is a priority if we want to open up the passing game more.
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I think we need a strong #2 WR. This draft is weak so teams will be reaching for them. I would address it through FA.

[if we decide to trade down - I would trade #1 for #9 and Roy Williams]

1st choice: Moulds; he is a FA or has a huge bonus due meaning he will be cut. Buff will not resign him with their other WRs. I would sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal. If Mathis comes on, fine. Otherwise we look at adding another one within the next two years.

2nd choice: Randle El or Jurevicious (Gabriel if he is a FA)

3rd choice: RWayne, but on the cheap
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I would actually be happy signing Charles Rogers. I believe he is a RFA who the lions don't expect to offer a contract to again.
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I would actually be happy signing Charles Rogers. I believe he is a RFA who the lions don't expect to offer a contract to again.
Rodgers is Randy Moss with all the injuries and pot, and NONE of the talent. If CC picked him up I would really think he's crazy
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This year's draft is full of unproven or undersized WR's. With our most well established problems on the O-line and a decent depth of talent at guard and tackle I would much rather see us get a good lineman with the 2nd round pick.
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If we don't think our current crop of WR's behind AJ can get the job done then we really should be looking at FA I agree. I wouldn't mind Moulds (would he play for #2 type money though), Jurevicius (will Seattle keep him along with Engram and Jackson as a back up), Rogers (seems a bit of a headcase from what I've read) or Price (despite people thinking he was overhyped by his time in Buffalo).
All we need is a guy to take a bit of pressure off of AJ, they don't have to be TO, Randy (or Santana) Moss, or Marvin Harrison. All they have to do is suck in that extra defender and free up AJ 1-on-1 and be able to look like a slight threat IMO.
Throw a legitimate TE into the fray as well and we would be fine. Joppru (if fit), Pope or Thomas along with AJ and 1 of the above WR's (with Gaffney, Mathis or Armstrong in the slot) and you have a nice artillery to throw at opposing D's...
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Our need at reciever can be lessened by signing Bush.He was used as a WR sometimes at USC.Think of your 4 WR set. Johnson/Mathis on the left,Bush/Gaffney on the right.A DB's nightmare.
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Rodgers is Randy Moss with all the injuries and pot, and NONE of the talent. If CC picked him up I would really think he's crazy
He has plenty of talent and to say he doesnt is a flat out lie. He was picked ahead of AJ, and while he has not yet lived up to it, he by all means has the natural talent.

Plus, its not like we would have to shell out a big contract. This is one of those "change of scenery" that has an extremely high reward/low risk factor. He should come cheap, and you dont expect him to do too much.
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Our need at reciever can be lessened by signing Bush.He was used as a WR sometimes at USC.Think of your 4 WR set. Johnson/Mathis on the left,Bush/Gaffney on the right.A DB's nightmare.
How would bush be an upgrade at reciever over what we already have? He's not taller, he's not faster, and he doesnt have better hands. A #2 RB/#4 reciever is not worth the top 5, regardless of talent.
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How would bush be an upgrade at reciever over what we already have? He's not taller, he's not faster, and he doesnt have better hands. A #2 RB/#4 reciever is not worth the top 5, regardless of talent.
Mismatches.Deception. The guy starts out in the backfield and ends up lined up outside or in the slot. Defense will have to compensate on the go. Most of the time you can read 2-3 wideouts immediately, he would hide his intended RB/WR designation. How do teams use Tackle eligible plays. That is how he is better and once in the secondary he has moves or he can definitely run over DB's better than a reciever. All that said I still think it would also be nice to have a traditional #2 reciever to keep pressure off AJ.
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Mismatches.Deception. The guy starts out in the backfield and ends up lined up outside or in the slot. Defense will have to compensate on the go. Most of the time you can read 2-3 wideouts immediately, he would hide his intended RB/WR designation. How do teams use Tackle eligible plays. That is how he is better and once in the secondary he has moves or he can definitely run over DB's better than a reciever. All that said I still think it would also be nice to have a traditional #2 reciever to keep pressure off AJ.
I'll take AJ over Bush when trying to run someone over. I'll take a TE over bush. I'll take DD over bush. I'll take almost anyone over bush if the question is wether or not he will run over a defender.
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Mismatches.Deception. The guy starts out in the backfield and ends up lined up outside or in the slot. Defense will have to compensate on the go. Most of the time you can read 2-3 wideouts immediately, he would hide his intended RB/WR designation. How do teams use Tackle eligible plays. That is how he is better and once in the secondary he has moves or he can definitely run over DB's better than a reciever. All that said I still think it would also be nice to have a traditional #2 reciever to keep pressure off AJ.

He'll be a small mismatch. Now say someone jams him at the line. Now lets say he is jamed and the 4 man rush preasures Carr. Now lets say, "I would rather have a RB who can run block than a RB who can run to the sidelines."
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He'll be a small mismatch. Now say someone jams him at the line. Now lets say he is jamed and the 4 man rush preasures Carr. Now lets say, "I would rather have a RB who can run block than a RB who can run to the sidelines."
They get up go back to the huddle and on the next play he doesn't get jamed the dump off pass goes for six. You are not going to win every battle, you want to be ahead at the end. And by the way he does block, but that isn't his most useful stance against a Defense.
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I don't know if you noticed but Mathis was not very good this season as a wr. I know he didn't get on the field that much but when he did he didn't look all that good. He had the one 35 or so yard td reception and that was all that impressed me from the offensive side of the ball. I do like Stovall and would be trilled if we got him.
I think Mathis has the potential(and speed) to be a solid WR. He may have not looked all that good this year but with a season under the belt, he could develop into a deep threat receiver come the following season. Also, WR's usually take three years to develop at the NFL level. We just need to be patient with him and IMO, he'll be just fine. The kid is already making a name for himself as a return specialist.
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I think Mathis has the potential(and speed) to be a solid WR. He may have not looked all that good this year but with a season under the belt, he could develop into a deep threat receiver come the following season. Also, WR's usually take three years to develop at the NFL level. We just need to be patient with him and IMO, he'll be just fine. The kid is already making a name for himself as a return specialist.
Recievers actually take the least amount of time to develop than anyone. Recievers do natural stuff. There are only so many possible routes. It comes down to speed, hands, and route running. Recievers should adjust quickly. There are plenty of exceptions though.
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I think Mathis has the potential(and speed) to be a solid WR. He may have not looked all that good this year but with a season under the belt, he could develop into a deep threat receiver come the following season. Also, WR's usually take three years to develop at the NFL level. We just need to be patient with him and IMO, he'll be just fine. The kid is already making a name for himself as a return specialist.
I think the more reps he gets with Carr the better he will be. He has the speed, which is obvious on returns.
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