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Old 01-12-2006   #1
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You know, Ive been reeling over the past few days because it seems like no matter what we do, it seems like there could be a better situation. If we draft VY and Bush has a better 1st year, people will clamor about how we should've taken him. If VY has a better year and we draft Bush, the same will happen. Leinart/hawk/D'brick should all be included in there too.

The optimism? No matter who we choose, we will be getting one of the surest college players in I can't think of how many past drafts. Alex Smith, last years first pick, may turn out to be a huge bust. No matter who we choose (Bush, Young, Leinart, Hawk, Ferguson) we are pretty much guarnateed an above average NFL caliber starter. And with our new coaching staff, hopefully we can develop whoever it is we pick into a superstar.

VY is a great leader and will undoubtedly make a huge impact on an NFL team sometime during his career.

Bush is a proven playmaker and is an exciting to watch, and will also make a huge impact on an NFL team.

Leinart, Hawk, Ferguson, will also serve important roles during their various careers. So no matter who we choose, be excited, because we are pretty much guarnateed a difference maker. This draft reminds me of the NBA draft when LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Carmello all came out i nthe same year.
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Yeah and Vince Young is going to be Darko. Sitting on the bench for 3 years waiting to make the necessary adjustments to translate his game from college to the pros.
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Yeah and Vince Young is going to be Darko. Sitting on the bench for 3 years waiting to make the necessary adjustments to translate his game from college to the pros.
Vince is not Darko, you can't compare a nba player to a NFL player. If a #2 ovrl pick in the NBA is sitting on the bench then obviously the coach thinks he isn't going to work out and it was a misused pick (even with Flip Darko can't get playing time, he's a bust). When a QB sits on the bench its because his team doesn't want to throw him into the fire and wants to develop him, especially when there is a grizzley vet in front of him (Titans). Again Vince isn't Darko. Vince sitting on the bench-its expected. #2 ovrl. pick Darko sitting on the bench-Oh crap what did we do and what is wrong with this player and will he ever develop? (All Detroit Fans)
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The reality of all this for the Texans is half full without a doubt ~ drafting Bush or VY is a win-win like drafting Lebron or Wade.
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Vince is not Darko, you can't compare a nba player to a NFL player. If a #2 ovrl pick in the NBA is sitting on the bench then obviously the coach thinks he isn't going to work out and it was a misused pick (even with Flip Darko can't get playing time, he's a bust). When a QB sits on the bench its because his team doesn't want to throw him into the fire and wants to develop him, especially when there is a grizzley vet in front of him (Titans). Again Vince isn't Darko. Vince sitting on the bench-its expected. #2 ovrl. pick Darko sitting on the bench-Oh crap what did we do and what is wrong with this player and will he ever develop? (All Detroit Fans)
Actually Darko was never supposed to come in and play immediately. He was very young and extremely raw, but scouts thought that he was going to be the next Dirk Nowitzki. He got in Larry Brown's dog house and his career is probably over now because he never developed.
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Actually Darko was never supposed to come in and play immediately. He was very young and extremely raw, but scouts thought that he was going to be the next Dirk Nowitzki. He got in Larry Brown's dog house and his career is probably over now because he never developed.
actually its not that scouts didn't think he wouldn't play early (which I don't know why you would take a "project" player #2 in the draft when Carmelo and Wade are sitting behing him) and he didn't get into Larry's dog house, its just the fact that Larry doesn't play rookies (to much of the old college coach in him) with that Detroit has had plenty of blowouts for him to show something and his teamates have no confidence in him and as long as he is on that loaded team he might as well go back overseas, hes never going to get playing time. The pistons need to deal him and get him out of there.
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The FO probably would have been thrilled a year ago if they knew D'Brick would end up a Texan. Now they have the chance to not only get him but most likely an extra 2nd this year and next year if not a 1st next year on top of it. Now there's a really good running back who catches too who we're going to give all that up for. You want to talk about a fallout what if Bush isn't Superman and without good blocking good luck. This is their chance to land SEVERAL really good players they probably couldn't have ever imagined having a chance for and it seems they may want to take what I would consider a bigtime gamble in drafting Bush in that he isn't the answer now. In all likelihood he will be a great player. He's just not a luxury they can afford with so many holes, especially when the return for him could help turn the whole team around in a hurry, instead of waiting until 07' and beyond for help in the trenches. Yes it's good to know the team is going to land a bigtime player but they could really parlee this thing into something special if they do what they planned on along and get some extra talent in the process.
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The FO probably would have been thrilled a year ago if they knew D'Brick would end up a Texan. Now they have the chance to not only get him but most likely an extra 2nd this year and next year if not a 1st next year on top of it. Now there's a really good running back who catches too who we're going to give all that up for. You want to talk about a fallout what if Bush isn't Superman and without good blocking good luck. This is their chance to land SEVERAL really good players they probably couldn't have ever imagined having a chance for and it seems they may want to take what I would consider a bigtime gamble in drafting Bush in that he isn't the answer now. In all likelihood he will be a great player. He's just not a luxury they can afford with so many holes, especially when the return for him could help turn the whole team around in a hurry, instead of waiting until 07' and beyond for help in the trenches. Yes it's good to know the team is going to land a bigtime player but they could really parlee this thing into something special if they do what they planned on along and get some extra talent in the process.
D'brick isn't a for sure pick and has questions around him as well and do you really trust Casserly to deal the #1 pick and get fair trade and then be able to pick up players with equal value. This is a knock that the trade down community won't answer. They think that we are going to trade down and pick up 3 perennial solid starters. Then when you throw on top of that the organization is under so much pressure to take either Bush or Young, a trade down isn't going to happen
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D'brick isn't a for sure pick and has questions around him as well and do you really trust Casserly to deal the #1 pick and get fair trade and then be able to pick up players with equal value. This is a knock that the trade down community won't answer.
OK, here the answer. Charly is NOT doing the picking. Get over it. His wings are clipped. He is nothing but a front man. Will he be involved sure, but the picking will be done by McNair (he said so), Reeves and Kubiak with CC nodding his head sagly at what they want to do. He is going to one of the most non factor GMs in draft history. Why, cause his butt is on the line and if he so much as screws up the crews lunch order he is out the door.
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D'brick isn't a for sure pick and has questions around him as well and do you really trust Casserly to deal the #1 pick and get fair trade and then be able to pick up players with equal value. This is a knock that the trade down community won't answer. They think that we are going to trade down and pick up 3 perennial solid starters. Then when you throw on top of that the organization is under so much pressure to take either Bush or Young, a trade down isn't going to happen
I'll answer that seeing as I'm on the Trade Down Bandwagon. Sure we aren't guaranteed of anything that represents a quality starter in the draft if we trade down. But my only answer to that is the fact that i want to get value for money. Im not seeing the benefit of $(insert Bush or Young's salary) when we could trade down and use some of that money on another pick for a spot on the D side of the ball for instance or FA...

Also again we aren't guaranteed a great talent immediately by trading down sure, but other teams have done it, Dallas and New England are the 1st 2 teams that come to mind. There are other teams I'm sure as well. My reply to that is ... their FO's know what they are doing obv a lil' better than ours does is all
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OK, here the answer. Charly is NOT doing the picking. Get over it. His wings are clipped. He is nothing but a front man. Will he be involved sure, but the picking will be done by McNair (he said so), Reeves and Kubiak with CC nodding his head sagly at what they want to do. He is going to one of the most non factor GMs in draft history. Why, cause his butt is on the line and if he so much as screws up the crews lunch order he is out the door.
you have just given me hope for our future. if reeves & kubiak are calling the shots, i think this will be a very interesting draft. mcnair wont fall for selling a couple jerseys for a fan favorite draft pick if those two guys feel that he wouldnt be the best choice, because mcnair's learned that winning games fills the seats. give casserly a cookie and maybe let him try the 4th round pick, but other than that dont let him near the board.
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OK, here the answer. Charly is NOT doing the picking. Get over it. His wings are clipped. He is nothing but a front man. Will he be involved sure, but the picking will be done by McNair (he said so), Reeves and Kubiak with CC nodding his head sagly at what they want to do. He is going to one of the most non factor GMs in draft history. Why, cause his butt is on the line and if he so much as screws up the crews lunch order he is out the door.
Do you have inside information or something or are you just speculating. You have no idea who is going to be running this draft.
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you have just given me hope for our future. if reeves & kubiak are calling the shots, i think this will be a very interesting draft. mcnair wont fall for selling a couple jerseys for a fan favorite draft pick if those two guys feel that he wouldnt be the best choice, because mcnair's learned that winning games fills the seats. give casserly a cookie and maybe let him try the 4th round pick, but other than that dont let him near the board.
102 Philadelphia (from San Francisco) Considine, Sean FS 6-0 206 Iowa
2 103 Cleveland Perkins, Antonio CB 5-11 188 Oklahoma
3 104 Miami Daniels, Travis CB 6-2 194 Louisiana State
4 105 Seattle (from Oakland) Willis, Ray OT 6-6 327 Florida State
5 106 Chicago Orton, Kyle QB 6-4 226 Purdue
6 107 Tampa Bay Buenning, Dan G 6-4 320 Wisconsin
7 108 Tennessee Fuller, Vincent FS 6-1 189 Virginia Tech
8 109 Dallas Barber, Marion RB 5-11 221 Minnesota
9 110 N.Y. Giants Jacobs, Brandon RB 6-4 256 Southern Illinois
10 111 Arizona Brown, Elton G 6-5 329 Virginia
11 112 Minnesota (from Washington) Fason, Ciatrick RB 6-1 207 Florida
12 113 Tennessee (from Detroit) Stewart, David OT 6-7 323 Mississippi State
13 114 Houston Mathis, Jerome WR 5-11 181 Hampton
14 115 Green Bay (from Carolina) Underwood, Marviel FS 5-10 205 San Diego State
15 116 Kansas City Thorpe, Craphonso WR 6-1 188 Florida State
16 117 St. Louis Carter, Jerome SS 5-11 219 Florida State
17 118 New Orleans Lyman, Chase WR 6-3 217 California
18 119 Cincinnati Ghiaciuc, Eric C 6-4 302 Central Michigan
19 120 Washington (from Minnesota) White, Manuel FB 6-2 244 UCLA
20 121 Carolina (from Seattle) Lefors, Stefan QB 6-0 201 Louisville
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22 123 N.Y. Jets (from Jacksonville) Rhodes, Kerry FS 6-2 209 Louisville
23 124 Baltimore Brown, Jason C 6-3 313 North Carolina
24 125 Green Bay Poppinga, Brady OLB 6-3 259 Brigham Young
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26 127 Jacksonville (from N.Y. Jets) Pearman, Alvin RB 5-9 208 Virginia
27 128 Atlanta Davis, Chauncey DE 6-1 258 Florida State
28 129 Indianapolis Gandy, Dylan G 6-3 300 Texas Tech
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30 131 Pittsburgh Gibson, Fred WR 6-4 202 Georgia
31 132 Dallas (from Philadelphia) Canty, Chris DE 6-7 286 Virginia
32 133 New England Sanders, James SS 5-10 207 Fresno State
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35 136 Tennessee (Compensatory Selection)


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It is an exciting time to be holding the #1 choice, that is for sure.

I can only hope Cass/our management gets the most out of it.
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