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Old 01-12-2006   #1
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Chris Mortensen was just on ESPN

Said that Carr has been under intense scrutiny and review over the past four or five weeks by talent evaluators across the league.

All have said that Carr is the best option for the team and just needs more coaching and better protection.

Mortensen just talked with Kubiak and Gary has said that he really likes David Carr.

Mort said that barring some big trade down. Bush will be the guy despite all of the clamoring by the fans.


Nothing new, but I thought I would let people know.
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Right after that, the other fella said that Bush won't make much of an impact on our team.
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Yeah he said that he won't make much of an impact if we don't address the OL just like every other player on offense. I think that is a given.
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If DD can rush for above a thousand yards and be a productive back with our o-line I think Bush will be even better. Run blocking is not a big problem it's pass protection and I think the Texans will have a chance at addressing the problem later in the draft. It has been proven that you can build a good o-line with picks later in the draft. The Texans will also have the opportunity to go out in FA to sign some veteran players. Beside a rookie o-lineman no matter how talented will struggle at the pro-level. What we need are guys who can come in and make an instant impact for our team.
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If DD can rush for above a thousand yards and be a productive back with our o-line I think Bush will be even better. Run blocking is not a big problem it's pass protection and I think the Texans will have a chance at addressing the problem later in the draft. It has been proven that you can build a good o-line with picks later in the draft. The Texans will also have the opportunity to go out in FA to sign some veteran players. Beside a rookie o-lineman no matter how talented will struggle at the pro-level. What we need are guys who can come in and make an instant impact for our team.

I think a lot of people don't really understand that concept. They look at the sacks and say that our line is terrible. The talking heads generally don't understand that we have a pretty good run blocking line but that they couldn't pass protect if their lives depended on it.
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While I still think Vince is the best option, it isn't like Bush is a can of worms. I will be happiest if we take VY, but I was pretty pumped about Bush all year, and still am. This guy gives me the chills just thinking about getting him the ball in space. It's going to require a HC and an OC with some really creative formations and plays to make that happen, but we needed a game changer and he will be one. If Kubiak can make Mike Anderson a 1000 yard rusher, what can he do with DD and Bush? I refuse to be one of these fair weather fans. Let's rally round Bush.
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I'd like to see Bush getting a little screen pass with Leonard Pope in front of him laying down the lumber and knocking heads off down the field.
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While I still think Vince is the best option, it isn't like Bush is a can of worms. I will be happiest if we take VY, but I was pretty pumped about Bush all year, and still am. This guy gives me the chills just thinking about getting him the ball in space. It's going to require a HC and an OC with some really creative formations and plays to make that happen, but we needed a game changer and he will be one. If Kubiak can make Mike Anderson a 1000 yard rusher, what can he do with DD and Bush? I refuse to be one of these fair weather fans. Let's rally round Bush.
I agree. I'd be stoked on the coaching changes alone, let alone the top player in the draft being added to the roster.
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Chris Mortensen was just on ESPN

Said that Carr has been under intense scrutiny and review over the past four or five weeks by talent evaluators across the league.

All have said that Carr is the best option for the team and just needs more coaching and better protection.

Mortensen just talked with Kubiak and Gary has said that he really likes David Carr.

Mort said that barring some big trade down. Bush will be the guy despite all of the clamoring by the fans.


Nothing new, but I thought I would let people know.
My gut feeling is this is our future. Kubiak thinks he can do something with Carr, and adding a second (or third if you include DD) playmaker is never a bad thing. Beef up the o-line to afford consistent protection, and the turnaround could be sooner than later.

I've got a feeling, though, that we won't do much to address our defense until 2007...
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I've got a feeling, though, that we won't do much to address our defense until 2007...
Fangio's gone, so maybe (just maybe) we don't need to (very badly).
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The reason I think we will keep Carr is because of the similarities between him and Jake Plummer. Both are good running QBs and both can really sell that bootleg playaction pass. Sure Plummer's been more succesful at it, but I think Gary Kubiak had something do with it. I think Kubiak will like to take a shot with Carr and sort of make him our version of Jake Plummer.
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I've got a feeling, though, that we won't do much to address our defense until 2007...
Here is the thing and i think it was addressed here before But I feel the need to reiterate. We cannot have a solid offense AND solid defense within a year. It is too tough to do that. We have holes on both our offense and D. This does not mean we should compleltely ignore one side of the ball, but I think we should focus on one side of the ball at a time. Remember KC might be just offense, but it is a whole lot better then being the Bengals prior to the last couple of seasons.
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Here is the thing and i think it was addressed here before But I feel the need to reiterate. We cannot have a solid offense AND solid defense within a year. It is too tough to do that. We have holes on both our offense and D. This does not mean we should compleltely ignore one side of the ball, but I think we should focus on one side of the ball at a time. Remember KC might be just offense, but it is a whole lot better then being the Bengals prior to the last couple of seasons.
yep, I agree. Both units are way below average, so first things first. Get the offensive team on the same page, under an offensive minded head coach, and give them a year to play together. Address the defense in 2007.

We've only got so many choices, so some areas will not be fully addressed in one off-season.
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If DD can rush for above a thousand yards and be a productive back with our o-line I think Bush will be even better. Run blocking is not a big problem it's pass protection and I think the Texans will have a chance at addressing the problem later in the draft. It has been proven that you can build a good o-line with picks later in the draft. The Texans will also have the opportunity to go out in FA to sign some veteran players. Beside a rookie o-lineman no matter how talented will struggle at the pro-level. What we need are guys who can come in and make an instant impact for our team.
Yeah, so the rookie RB wont struggle? WHo is to say that Bush will be better then DD? The worst thing that can happen to this team is for Bush to be given the start when we have a proven and respected NFL RB in place. From what I have seen of Bush he is a niece guy and a hard worker, but I think the last thing we need is "the next big thing" coming in and being given the spot over DD, he should have to earn it like everyone else.

PS- our line really is that bad. Can you honestly tell me that when its 3rd and 9, you honestly beleive Carr will have the time? Football is a team sport, it requries a lot of trust in your teammates, how is Carr supposed to trust this O-line, which has failed him over 200 times?
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I don't think we are going to have a starter next year at RB next year. Some games Reggie will start, some games Domanick will start. It will have nothing to do with who earns it or who doesn't, it will do with what the play is and who will give us the best opportunity to successfully complete that play.
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basically i have to agree with mortenson...carr is our best option...i know VY is an out-standing player...i enjoy watching him play every week except when he plays us(tx tech)...you simply can't say enough about VY...his leadership...his ability...he's just special...but so is reggie bush...and i think what this boils down to his us(the fans) backing whoever we end up with...if it is reggie we can't hold VY over his head...if we trade down and pick up d'brick or hawk or mario williams you can't hold VY over their heads...be happy that we'll have a head coach with some freaking football sense and enjoy this upcoming year...because i just have a gut feeling that it's going to be a good...9-7
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THAT is a very good point HJam. Our guys up front are at least average NFL lineman, the backers are close to it and one CB is outstanding. Will we be the Bears defense....hardly, but we MIGHT be able to approch NFL average in 06 with a new DC and some solid schemes. If we get the improvement in the offense that I think may be coming and we get the defense to a rank of from 15-20th, we should be fairly happy with the results.
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THAT is a very good point HJam. Our guys up front are at least average NFL lineman, the backers are close to it and one CB is outstanding. Will we be the Bears defense....hardly, but we MIGHT be able to approch NFL average in 06 with a new DC and some solid schemes. If we get the improvement in the offense that I think may be coming and we get the defense to a rank of from 15-20th, we should be fairly happy with the results.
I have in the past and do agree with this assessment. To stay on topic I do not have a problem with Bush or Carr being here, I just think we can go a different avenue to achieve short and long term success.
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PS- our line really is that bad. Can you honestly tell me that when its 3rd and 9, you honestly beleive Carr will have the time? Football is a team sport, it requries a lot of trust in your teammates, how is Carr supposed to trust this O-line, which has failed him over 200 times?
Actually it's really NOT that bad imo. A good pass blocking line? No. But not as bad as many make it out to be. A few points. First, if we add a weapon like Bush, maybe, just maybe, defenses will be more reticent to blitz as often as they do now. That will give Carr more time. Maybe there is more to pass blocking than the 5 lineman. Maybe, just maybe a QB who just once would burn a blitz would tend to slow the rush down. How many times has Carr burnt the blitz? Maybe a RB who could chip on a pass rusher would help. Maybe a great blocking TE next to the tackles would help. Maybe better coaching than the Jr. High line coaches we have had would help. Hey, how about a real NFL scheme, insstead of pee wee league?:brickwall
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When was the last time you saw a slant to AJ on a blitz? Anytime Peyton Manning sees a blitz, he has the ability to switch to a play to counter that, DC does, or rather, didnt, have that option. I think that a new coaching staff will bring improvement in both Carr and the line, but will it be enough?
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