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Old 01-12-2006   #1
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I'm strongly in the VY category and failing that I'm firmly in the Reggie Bush camp. I just think the possible upside of these guys is crazy. My deal I would still need to be able to get Hawk or D-Brick swapping #1's, a number one next year, and two #2's probably. Very small chance anyone gives that but my threshold would probably be that high.
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Pick for picks, I would like to see the team's first rounder this year, third rounder this year, and possibly a second rounder in the next. But that is off the top of my head.

Anyone know where the draft value pick chart is?

I think if Cass works it right, because of the dual Bush/Young possibilities, we could find a team or two that would fall all over us for rights to the #1 this year.
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I want them to trade down in the general sence, but I'm going to have to rely on others who agree with that to know if the possible trade is really worth it or not. I'm no draft expert, but I really believe that we don't need an RB or QB. I don't think the answer is DD either, unless it's goal line time. The starting RB on this team should be Wells.
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I was strongly in the trade down camp, but I think the fans would revolt if we don't end up with Bush or VY. I personally think that Carr has more upside than DD, so I want Bush. I think Carr can excel if we surround him with better talent. So I am basically in the exact opposite position as you.

The Jets are the trade partner I like, if we went that route. If we could get their 2006 1st, their 2007 1st, and their 2006 2nd, I would jump on it. I would take Ferguson with our 1st. With our two 2nd's and two 3rd's, I would likely take an OG, TE, safety and someone in the front seven on defense (perhaps a pass-rushing DE or MLB).

In 2007, we could focus on defense and perhaps filling a need at our #2 WR spot (if Mathis or someone else hasn't filled this need yet).
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Anyone know where the draft value pick chart is?
http://www.degnan.org/dolphins/draftvaluechart.htm
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I was strongly in the trade down camp, but I think the fans would revolt if we don't end up with Bush or VY. I personally think that Carr has more upside than DD, so I want Bush. I think Carr can excel if we surround him with better talent. So I am basically in the exact opposite position as you.

The Jets are the trade partner I like, if we went that route. If we could get their 2006 1st, their 2007 1st, and their 2006 2nd, I would jump on it. I would take Ferguson with our 1st. With our two 2nd's and two 3rd's, I would likely take an OG, TE, safety and someone in the front seven on defense (perhaps a pass-rushing DE or MLB).

In 2007, we could focus on defense and perhaps filling a need at our #2 WR spot (if Mathis or someone else hasn't filled this need yet).
yep, this is pretty much where I'm at. Don't trade too far down, though...the Jets would be a good place to draw the line. Mario Williams, D'brick, or AJ Hawk would be great picks with that no. 1, IMO. (but I'd make them thrown in a 2006 3rd just to sweeten the deal)

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OK, so we need to trade the #1 for 10 7th round picks.
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I would be pleased if we could trade down with the Jets for a 2nd this year, a 1st next year, and a player, possibly Doug Jolley or Adrian Jones...It would be awesome if we could fleece them for John Abraham though...
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How about we trade our #1 overall pick and Buchanon to Denver for both of their 1st round picks and Champ Bailey... (If this seems crazy it's because I had to take a pain killer earlier)
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I would be pleased if we could trade down with the Jets for a 2nd this year, a 1st next year, and a player, possibly Doug Jolley or Adrian Jones...It would be awesome if we could fleece them for John Abraham though...
I know every team is different but there was a good discussion the other day saying the Texans need to set the bar before the draft even starts. If teams have players, etc to trade, that is fine but the Texans need to at least convey that two #1s will be involved..this year and next..and then I'd say a 2nd or 3rd this year.
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Just by looking at that draft chart and knowing that I want a LT, I say we need to get the 4th or 5th pick and a second rounder this year and next. That is the absolute minimum. The 2nd or 3rd pick would change things a little, but I don't see either one of those teams offering when we keep insisting publicly that we will take Bush.
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I know every team is different but there was a good discussion the other day saying the Texans need to set the bar before the draft even starts. If teams have players, etc to trade, that is fine but the Texans need to at least convey that two #1s will be involved..this year and next..and then I'd say a 2nd or 3rd this year.
It all depends on how far we're trading down...If we trade past, say, pick 5, the asking price should rise tremendously since most of the "can't miss" prospects will be off the board...

The reason I added a player rather than an extra pick to my scenario is that it just seems like a better option for this team at this time...We'd be getting a known commodity who already has NFL experience and will be ready to come in and start from day one...The same can't be said for most 3rd rounders...Another advantage is that, in the event that the player we trade for is a bust, the team we trade with will have already absorbed all of said player's signing bonus, so we could cut ties with the player without worrying about cap ramifications...
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I'm strongly in the VY category and failing that I'm firmly in the Reggie Bush camp. I just think the possible upside of these guys is crazy. My deal I would still need to be able to get Hawk or D-Brick swapping #1's, a number one next year, and two #2's probably. Very small chance anyone gives that but my threshold would probably be that high.
I want to trade with the Jets. I would require their number 4 overall this year plus Abraham along with their first rounder next year.

Rememeber, if Kubiak comes here he will bring the Denver theory on Zone blocking. He likes a line that is lighter and generally passed over becuase they are smaller. Perhaps Dbrick would fit. If not, I would trade down to about 8 or so and pick up CB Jimmy Williams. So our D now adds Abraham plus a stud CB to compliment Dunta. With our next few picks we can address any number of spots. With these moves we will not be a supwerbowl contender or playoff contender, but we also wont win only 2 games next year.
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IMO you can throw the draft value chart right out the window.
There not trading for a draft pick.
There trading for Reggie Bush.

No trading outside the top Eight.
If we trade and only recieve picks I would want two first round picks and two second round picks.

If we trade for picks and players I would want two first and a player.

Everybody is talking about trading for J Abraham which would be great but I would just like to throw J Vilmas or Santana Moss's name out there.

AJ and Moss sounds exciting doesnt it.
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Everybody is talking about trading for J Abraham which would be great but I would just like to throw J Vilmas or Santana Moss's name out there.

AJ and Moss sounds exciting doesnt it.
I don't think Washington is going to get rid of Santana Moss
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I don't think Washington is going to get rid of Santana Moss
Me either but you never no.
They might be interested in V Young or Lienart.
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Washington just drafted Jason Campbell in the first round last year.

And Santana Moss is their best player.
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I completly forgot about campbell.
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I think Campbell is going to be really good in a few years. He was really underrated in college.
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