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View Poll Results: How would you build a solid team?
Work on offense line and keep Carr 68 58.62%
Work on defense line and line backers 4 3.45%
Keep Carr and draft Bush 19 16.38%
Draft Young keep Carr 11 9.48%
Trade Carr for more picks and draft Young and Bush 9 7.76%
Draft Young and Bush somehow and trade Bush for picks 0 0%
Draft both Young and Bush and trade both for picks 2 1.72%
Draft both Young and Bush and trade Young for picks 2 1.72%
Work on getting a kicker 1 0.86%
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Old 01-11-2006   #1
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How do we know that drafting another weapon for our qb is a good idea. I like both top picks in the draft, they are both great players. However, when you build anything you have to have a solid foundation to hold everything up. Right? When you look at it this way our team's foundation wouldn't allow any great offense player to exceed in his career. If I was the one making choices here I would forgo both players and or get them and trade them for some really great big talented foundation guys. Guys that eat metal for breakfast. Guys that the other teams would think twice about saying anything about their momma during the game. Guys that we have to bring to the stadium in cages. Thats the type of offense and defense linemen we need.
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How do we know that drafting another weapon for our qb is a good idea. I like both top picks in the draft, they are both great players. However, when you build anything you have to have a solid foundation to hold everything up. Right? When you look at it this way our team's foundation wouldn't allow any great offense player to exceed in his career. If I was the one making choices here I would forgo both players and or get them and trade them for some really great big talented foundation guys. Guys that eat metal for breakfast. Guys that the other teams would think twice about saying anything about their momma during the game. Guys that we have to bring to the stadium in cages. Thats the type of offense and defense linemen we need.
The guys that we have up front can't be that bad. I think with some better coaches we will be alright!!
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Seems to me like a reasonable question. I posed it yesterday and it seemed like everyone was hanging out on the VY and RB threads. It hasn't been a secret since the team started that they needed help on the O-line (and the D-line, for that matter.) 4 years later, seems like the same song and dance.
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This is a strong Draft for O lineman and one or two will surely be around for our other first day picks.

Winston Justice, Jean Max-Giles, Devin Brown, Jeremy Trueblood could all be around for our second and 3rd round picks.
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If you think about it after the 1st pick we basically have 4 more first day picks, cause we have the 1st in the second, the 1st and 2nd in the 3rd and the 1st in the 4th that lets us have a day off and come in and scoop up anyone who fell off day one.

Those 4 picks could be devided between offensive and defensive line and fix the problem
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The guys that we have up front can't be that bad. I think with some better coaches we will be alright!!
why cant they be "that bad". from what ive seen they are that bad.

those big guys up front can either make ave players look good or they can make good guys look less than ave. i think the latter in our case.
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You know whats awesome, we now have 4 DTs with millions upon millions tied up in and no defensive ends. Thats awesome.
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For 4 years we have chased after the next shinny object like a Book Trout. It is time to fix the CORE of the team. It's the purple elefant in the room that every one knows is there and no one wants to address. Trade down and build the core and build the team the way it SHOULD have been in the first place. From the inside out. There are too many things that have to be fixed to just wait to the second round, we NEED more picks.

Time to do the un-sexy, hard to do, be an adult thing.
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What about the theory that they just didn't want to block for Carr? Seems kinda ridiculous to me, but I've heard it more than once. Anyone else heard it or have any thoughts?
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Well for one thing we'd be getting Hodgdon back from injury. He was a noticeable improvement from McKinney. We could take whichever OT falls out of the first round with our 2nd. Put him at RT while he gets used to the speed of the game.

I'd really like to get that monster Taitusi Lutui from USC with our 3rd pick. He may actually be able to play RT also. He is fairly quick for being 370 lbs (!!).

Another glaring hole we have is at CB. Faggins did OK, but he shouldn't be a starter.


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You know whats awesome, we now have 4 DTs with millions upon millions tied up in and no defensive ends. Thats awesome.
If we do switch to a 4-3, I imagine we'd have to trade one of our DT's. I think Robaire Smith would have the most value, but his contract could become an albatross.
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I'd be ok with trading the #1 to get multiple picks to strengthen the team. That or drafting Bush would both be good options. Just as long as we don't use the #1 to draft a certain hometown QB with no NFL-useful skills is all I ask.
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We hava a lot of cash tied up in the DL. I think we should draft a couple of DL in the 3rd round or later to groom to replace them in a couple of years. This is a good draft for DL and we should get good value.

This is the best draft for OL in decades. You figure in the trend for teams to draft need over BPA and we should be able to get at least 2 quality OL when we pick in the first 4 rounds (33,65,66,97).

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#33 OT/TE/OG
If one of the three stud TEs or one of the top OTs drop, gotta take him.
If those are gone, a stud OG like Jean-Giles would be sweet.
#65 Tutui - if he is still there, you gotta take him. Might even trade up.
#66 BPA - We have a lot of needs - someone good will slip (cb/s/lb/dl/ol)
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Daryn Colledge 6-5, 296 Boise State
Andrew Whitworth 6-7, 330 LSU
Jabari Levey 6-5, 320 South Carolina
Jami Hightower 6-4, 365 Texas A&M
Zach Strief 6-7, 350 Northwestern
Jeremy Trueblood 6-8, 320 Boston College
#97 Still BPA - but I think we could get a solid C/OG here:
Kyle Young 6-5, 320 Fresno State
Mike Degory 6-5, 296 Florida
Nick Mangold 6-4, 300 Ohio State
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The top pick in the 4th round is often very valuable. Teams will come back that second day and see a player that dropped in the draft boards and want to trade up to that pick to get them. We might be able to drop a few slots and get an extra pick.
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I'd cheer (and then LMAO) if the Texans made some kind of blockbuster deal with our pick. This has to be one of the most valuable no. 1 picks of all time.
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A great QB will make that offensive line look better. Carr puts himself and his line in bad posistions out there ending up sacked. very little pocket awarness. He has made them look worse than they are. Of course I agree that the line on both sides of the ball are WAY overpaid. Especially Wade!
They should look to pick up some true LB's especially an awesome MLB in Free Agency.
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For 4 years we have chased after the next shinny object like a Book Trout. It is time to fix the CORE of the team. It's the purple elefant in the room that every one knows is there and no one wants to address. Trade down and build the core and build the team the way it SHOULD have been in the first place. From the inside out. There are too many things that have to be fixed to just wait to the second round, we NEED more picks.

Time to do the un-sexy, hard to do, be an adult thing.
Amen. Some on here think that we can accomplish this in later rounds, but I contend we need a real left tackle to build around and those have not historically come past the first 20 picks of the draft.
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What about the theory that they just didn't want to block for Carr? Seems kinda ridiculous to me, but I've heard it more than once. Anyone else heard it or have any thoughts?
I think that is a coprophilous theory, much like the "Carr was trying to lose so the coaches would be fired" and "Players were throwing games to get the first pick" theories.
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I still think we need to build the Offensive Line, and get some fear inspiring Defensive threats. But very few of the players on our team look like they are worth the money we are paying them. And we have the same bunch of guys looking to pick a few more.

Now, when these guys are saying without a doubt, we will pick Reggie Bush with our first pick..... enough is enough. If we're going to do something like that, if we're going to pick an offensive playmaker, get the best playmaker available.
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young can possibly delay the rush for a new o line becasue he is an exelent thrower on he run and can scramble. but a new o line would be the best move however a lot of the fans are counting on drafting a huge player
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Keep Carr, and work on the oline.
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