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Old 01-10-2006   #1
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This year the draft has plenty of good TE entering the draft. I don't how you guys can all argue that we have other holes to fill, trade the pick. But we dont really need to trade it. The simple fact that we can get a GOOD tightend with the first pick of the second round. Theres no way that 4 tightends are going be taken in the first round.
Vernon Davis, Maryland
Anthony Fasano, Notre Dame
Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
Leonard Pope, Georgia

If one of these guys are availible and we are up in the second round, this is the position we should address and all these people will be very good players in the NFL. The one I am the most intrigued by is Anthony Fasano, after a year under Charlie Weis he has already been playing in an NFL style offense and has EXCELLED. But if any of these players drop that far, then I would not hesitate to take any of them
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UT's David Thomas 6'3 245 could be a steal in later rounds, as well as the USC TE Dominique Byrd, 6'3 260.
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We have more important things to address with our second pick in the draft than TE, and I am quite sure that several TEs, including Fasano, will be available later than the 2nd round if our new HC decides our current TEs won't make it in the new system.
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We have more important things to address with our second pick in the draft than TE, and I am quite sure that several TEs, including Fasano, will be available later than the 2nd round if our new HC decides our current TEs won't make it in the new system.
The second round is for interior line right now IMO.

TE no earlier than the 4th, with exceptions to ONLY V. Davis and G. Olsen (if he declares)
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UT's David Thomas 6'3 245 could be a steal in later rounds, as well as the USC TE Dominique Byrd, 6'3 260.
I love Thomas, he is a great recieving TE but how is he at blocking. I believe he is descent but i dont know.
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I would put Tim Day above Fasano any day. I think day fits our system better but Fasano did have 1 yr of weis and did play better talent at ND then day did at oregon state.
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This year the draft has plenty of good TE entering the draft. I don't how you guys can all argue that we have other holes to fill, trade the pick. But we dont really need to trade it. The simple fact that we can get a GOOD tightend with the first pick of the second round. Theres no way that 4 tightends are going be taken in the first round.
Vernon Davis, Maryland
Anthony Fasano, Notre Dame
Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
Leonard Pope, Georgia

If one of these guys are availible and we are up in the second round, this is the position we should address and all these people will be very good players in the NFL. The one I am the most intrigued by is Anthony Fasano, after a year under Charlie Weis he has already been playing in an NFL style offense and has EXCELLED. But if any of these players drop that far, then I would not hesitate to take any of them
I presume that you want us to take Bush or Young with the 1st pick since you said we don't need to trade, and bringing them in and then taking a TE at #33 and once again putting the OL off until the 3rd rounds and later is going to be bad for this team once again. We have to address OL this year or our offense will continue to struggle, and there is an abundance of good OLinemen in this draft. I personally want to trade down out of the #1 and acquire future 1st rounder(s) and additional 2nd or 3rd round picks for this year, so we can still get our OLinemen we need and maybe look at some TEs in there somewhere, but to place drafting a TE at a higher priority than fixing our OL is going to result in another drastically underperforming year for our offense.
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I presume that you want us to take Bush or Young with the 1st pick since you said we don't need to trade, and bringing them in and then taking a TE at #33 and once again putting the OL off until the 3rd rounds and later is going to be bad for this team once again. We have to address OL this year or our offense will continue to struggle, and there is an abundance of good OLinemen in this draft. I personally want to trade down out of the #1 and acquire future 1st rounder(s) and additional 2nd or 3rd round picks for this year, so we can still get our OLinemen we need and maybe look at some TEs in there somewhere, but to place drafting a TE at a higher priority than fixing our OL is going to result in another drastically underperforming year for our offense.
well part of our problem is our TE. Knowone respects our passing game and until they do our running game will never pick up. The TE will either make the SLB or SS cover the TE... I remember tons of times the SS came on blitzs last season. Now i think we have to improve both our O-line and our TE and if we dont do both then we will be have another losing season.
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well part of our problem is our TE. Knowone respects our passing game and until they do our running game will never pick up. The TE will either make the SLB or SS cover the TE... I remember tons of times the SS came on blitzs last season. Now i think we have to improve both our O-line and our TE and if we dont do both then we will be have another losing season.
Exactly, if we have a TE that can catch the ball on passing downs, then they will be forced to cover him to, limiting how many players the other team can blitz with. We need TE that can block AND catch. If Bruener is in the game they know that he is not even going to get a chance at catching the ball because they wont throw to him. If we throw in a receiving TE then they will have to give us respect and cover him.
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I think we can get a very good TE with one of our two 3rd rounders. If one is still on the board late in the 2nd (and we think someone might grab him), then perhaps we can trade one of our 3rd's and a 2nd day pick to move up to get him. With us taking Bush or Young with the 1st pick, we really need to go O-line with our 2nd.
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I think we can get a very good TE with one of our two 3rd rounders. If one is still on the board late in the 2nd (and we think someone might grab him), then perhaps we can trade one of our 3rd's and a 2nd day pick to move up to get him. With us taking Bush or Young with the 1st pick, we really need to go O-line with our 2nd.
Well for one i dont see how we can possibly take Bush or Young. We have holes at RT, OG, C, TE, DL, LB, CB, & FS is we do what all of you want as in change to 43. Drafting something that is not one of those positions severly hurts us. As of right now not trading our #1 pick we have 4 picks in the 1st 3rd rounds. If we take Bush or Young that doesnt solve any of our needs or really benefits our team but says if we dont fill this hole in FA then we have a serious problem. I think us trading with Jets is the best option. I personally dont see how we can pick one of the 2 without picking up atleast 5 starting FA's. Thats alot. Back to the Jets trade we pick up abraham possibly sign a Teyo Johnson or a Randy McMicheal thats 2 of our needs right there. If we do draft one we have to do it by the 4th round because the talent takes a sharp dive after that and i doubt one of them will fall that far into the 5th. Now we have to pray that we can win out on Steve Hutchinson or LaCharles bentley bc they will be suited by tons of teams. Then we need to check on FA CB's or LB's. As of now i just dont see how we could do make any #1 overall selection there is just too much that we need.
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I love Thomas, he is a great recieving TE but how is he at blocking. I believe he is descent but i dont know.
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I think could be the steal of the draft, especially if we get him with one of our thirds. Soft hands, above average speed and extremely agile for his size. He reminds me alot of Todd Heap, just a little smaller.
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Well for one i dont see how we can possibly take Bush or Young. We have holes at RT, OG, C, TE, DL, LB, CB, & FS is we do what all of you want as in change to 43. Drafting something that is not one of those positions severly hurts us. As of right now not trading our #1 pick we have 4 picks in the 1st 3rd rounds. If we take Bush or Young that doesnt solve any of our needs or really benefits our team but says if we dont fill this hole in FA then we have a serious problem. I think us trading with Jets is the best option. I personally dont see how we can pick one of the 2 without picking up atleast 5 starting FA's. Thats alot. Back to the Jets trade we pick up abraham possibly sign a Teyo Johnson or a Randy McMicheal thats 2 of our needs right there. If we do draft one we have to do it by the 4th round because the talent takes a sharp dive after that and i doubt one of them will fall that far into the 5th. Now we have to pray that we can win out on Steve Hutchinson or LaCharles bentley bc they will be suited by tons of teams. Then we need to check on FA CB's or LB's. As of now i just dont see how we could do make any #1 overall selection there is just too much that we need.
We can't fix it all in one year and we won't win the SuperBowl next year.

But, we can add some talent.

As far as I am concerned, our defense is not a concern this year. We NEED to protect our QB (whether it is Carr or VY). How do we do that? We draft the BEST AVAILABLE OL or TE.
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whoops hit enter too soon.

OL obviously helps protect the qb.

TE helps protect the QB also, in several different ways:
i) he can stay in and block
ii) short dropoff threat - which will burn blitzing teams
iii) deep threat

A good TE that can block (Pope/Davis) would really help - and it would not be obvious what we were going to do based on which one of our one dimensional TEs awas in the game. Having a TE and a FB/RB blocking would give Carr more time. Of course, leaving 7 in to block means we also need to sign a free agent #2 WR (to give Carr/VY another option besides look at AJ and if he is covered dump it to DD/Bush).
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We can't fix it all in one year and we won't win the SuperBowl next year.

But, we can add some talent.

As far as I am concerned, our defense is not a concern this year. We NEED to protect our QB (whether it is Carr or VY). How do we do that? We draft the BEST AVAILABLE OL or TE.
trust me i know i have looked at it from like 5 different angles here. Changing to the 43 THIS year would be suicide for this team. Staying at the 34 we only need a LB, CB, and a FS. This is what all you want. All i hear is lets change to the 43. Now we arent going to win the super bowl but we do have to find starting quality somewhere at each of the positions. We cant just throw John Smith in at a position. We have seen what happens when you do that. Like i said it all depends on FA if we can draft Bush or Young. Not even the Texans know if they will take one or the other because they cant possibly know. Lets say they dont bring in anyone to fill any of their vanacies (just a what if we all know they will bring in someone) then there is no way we could take anyone except who we need without throwing out a "minor league" team out there. I am just being realistic here. if we stay in the 34 we have 7 postions if we switch to 43 we need 8 positions. That means we will be forking out some serious money to find some FA to take a spot. I mean come on people we arent going to throw just anyone in there thats all i am saying. Now the quality of FA that comes in a whole notehr question in itself but i am just trying to get people to look at the big picture and not just Bush or Young. We do need to protect Carr but we need a MLB and we need a #2 to replace Buchannon. That right there tells me that is either a FA or 2 of our top 3 picks if we STAY IN THE 34. Now the 43 we need DL,LB, and CB
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The way I see it is that if we have a TE that is a threat across the middle then we can leave our back in to block. All year DD has been playing the TE's role on passing downs instead of staying in to pickup the blitz. To me this is just as important if not more to picking up additional linemen. A real TE will provide more benifit to the passblocking by allowing the back to stay in and block than an additional lineman. (Not that we don't need lineman)

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Bruenor had 2 catches on the year. So, he is really another OT, not a TE - and defense treat him that way (but he is small for a OT).

Rivers had 24 catches. He is 6-4 and 250 pounds. So, his blocking is going to be limited to hitting the guy on his way to his pattern (or should be because he is not a good blocker)

As previously said in this post - we need an every down TE that can block and catch. A stud receiving TE would be ok also if we can get our OL fixed - but for now I say every down TE.

PLUS - we need the endzone threat!!
Look at what HMiller did for Pitt. (39 catches 459 yards 6 TDS). AND HE BLOCKED when they needed it (his stats were projecting much higher until one of their OTs got hurt meaning they had to leave him in to block more on 3rd down).

AND - there will probably be one there at #33 (that will be ranked top 20 because there will 3 ranked that high and they won't go that high) - Pope or Davis would be sweet.
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If the Texans select Vince Young I would not mind Thomas at all in the 3rd rd. he seemed really high on him as a teammate, which IS important. then the Texans could take the best tackle available with the 1st pick of the second rd.
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I think we have a better of chance of signing Teyo Johnson or a Randy McMicheal so we can draft another position instead of taking a TE in the 3rd or 4th.
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trust me i know i have looked at it from like 5 different angles here. Changing to the 43 THIS year would be suicide for this team. Staying at the 34 we only need a LB, CB, and a FS. This is what all you want. All i hear is lets change to the 43. Now we arent going to win the super bowl but we do have to find starting quality somewhere at each of the positions. We cant just throw John Smith in at a position. We have seen what happens when you do that. Like i said it all depends on FA if we can draft Bush or Young. Not even the Texans know if they will take one or the other because they cant possibly know. Lets say they dont bring in anyone to fill any of their vanacies (just a what if we all know they will bring in someone) then there is no way we could take anyone except who we need without throwing out a "minor league" team out there. I am just being realistic here. if we stay in the 34 we have 7 postions if we switch to 43 we need 8 positions. That means we will be forking out some serious money to find some FA to take a spot. I mean come on people we arent going to throw just anyone in there thats all i am saying. Now the quality of FA that comes in a whole notehr question in itself but i am just trying to get people to look at the big picture and not just Bush or Young. We do need to protect Carr but we need a MLB and we need a #2 to replace Buchannon. That right there tells me that is either a FA or 2 of our top 3 picks if we STAY IN THE 34. Now the 43 we need DL,LB, and CB
I don't have an opinion on which D we should run. I say run what we have the most talent to run - if that is 3-4, then stay in 3-4.

But if we stay in the 3-4, what do we need?
MLB - shouldn't we give Greenwood another chance? If not, that contract is a killer.
[one exception to this whole email - if Baltimore doesn't resign Ray Lewis, then I sign him and draft whoever he wants]
CB - I agree we need another stud CB. But, unless one drops, I would wait until next year. Plus, by waiting a year, we can make sure Buchy is bad and that Faggins is not enough - who knows, one might even pan out (I doubt it, but who knows)
LB - the other LBs - we need to see what Orr and Peek can do. Can Wong come back strong? Why not play them and see? (maybe sign a FA to a 1 year deal)
FS - Why not give Brown a chance? Earl panned out. Or take another late round flyer here.
DL - Too much money tied up here to do much anyway. Need to let them age. I would look for young cheap (3rd-5th round) talent to groom here.

If we go 4-3, then I fill the same, give these guys a chance. Let's make sure they either suck or can be used. If one pans out, that is one draft picks saved (equiv to their level of success).

NEXT YEAR (assuming the talent is there - and we fix the O this year) - we could concentrate on D and fill the holes:
1st - CB - we could get a stud CB in the 1st
2nd - FS - a 2nd round FS should be an immediate starter
(or, if Brown pans out, maybe LB/DL or a WR for the future)
3rd - LB/DL - which hole we need to fill
4th - LB/DL - same

This year: OL and a TE if there at #33. And, we sign a free agent WR (Moulds would be sweet - plus he is old so we could give him a 3 year deal).
It would be so nice to see our offense go on the field with 2 minutes left in the game and KNOW we can score. The way it is now, we don't even know if we can get a 1st down. True, we will give up a lot of points, but lets fix one thing all the way.
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