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Old 01-09-2006   #1
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Default RBs don't control games

Well, not so much as they might have one, and certainly not so much as QB. In addition, when RBs control a game it's usually a big, hefty, strong, tough back, not a scat guy.

I say Bush is very talented and is good for 15-20 _touches_ a game as long as he doesn't take any serious hits. In the NFL game he's going to slow down a lot and he won't be nearly as elusive--a lot of that highlight reel stuff is questional defensive play. And with the fast DBs in the NFL they'll run him down unless he's as fast as Mathis, which I don't think he is, is he?

In any case, Bush is a great pick if we had a great QB and had the luxury of adding a part-time threat to the club. As it is we do not have a great QB and we do not have the luxury of adding a part-time guy.

At first I scoffed at the people who were saying DD is a good partner for Bush, but as I reflect further, it seems like DD is an almost full-time guy with some good move, some elusiveness, some speed. And in that sense--that he will be there almost all of the time--he may be more useful over the long haul.

We certainly have more worries at QB than at RB. I don't think many would argue against that.
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RB dont control games????????????? OK you guys just jumped overboard.
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I would say that Reggie Bush controlled Texas' gameplan for the Rose Bowl. They focused so much on stopping him that their defense in other areas was a bit suspect (more than usual). But don't get me wrong -- I want to keep DD as a starting back and go for something other than Bush or Young.
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Marshall Faulk used to control games.

Ricky Williams controlled games before he went loco. I don't think that the Dolphins were riding the awesome performance of Jay Fiedler week in and week out.

Tiki Barber has been controlling games this year.

Larry Johnson sure did control the game against us and most other teams this year.
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are you FREAKING SERIOUS!?!?!?

A Good running game is the nucleus or a good football team.. WIthout a running game NO team would make the playoffs..

name one team that is in the playoffs that doesnt have a good running game??
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I hope Shawn Alexander dont read this
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Well, not so much as they might have one, and certainly not so much as QB. In addition, when RBs control a game it's usually a big, hefty, strong, tough back, not a scat guy.

I say Bush is very talented and is good for 15-20 _touches_ a game as long as he doesn't take any serious hits. In the NFL game he's going to slow down a lot and he won't be nearly as elusive--a lot of that highlight reel stuff is questional defensive play. And with the fast DBs in the NFL they'll run him down unless he's as fast as Mathis, which I don't think he is, is he?

In any case, Bush is a great pick if we had a great QB and had the luxury of adding a part-time threat to the club. As it is we do not have a great QB and we do not have the luxury of adding a part-time guy.

At first I scoffed at the people who were saying DD is a good partner for Bush, but as I reflect further, it seems like DD is an almost full-time guy with some good move, some elusiveness, some speed. And in that sense--that he will be there almost all of the time--he may be more useful over the long haul.

We certainly have more worries at QB than at RB. I don't think many would argue against that.

You have crossed over into comedy now. Bravo!
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Isn't the goal of most teams to establish the running game and stop the run?
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Am I mistaken or is every back mentioned (all 5 of them) a tough in the game every play guy? Which is what I said in the first place? You don't control a game with a tiny 185lb part-time player like Bush. Period. Call it comedy if you like. Bush sure controlled (for the halfwit who asked) the Rose Bowl. Controlled it right to a loss.

What, you guys read the headline and did not read the post?

Maybe it should have said "Little part-time running backs don't control games."
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So Tiki Barber doesn't control games?
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Actually, you're right. RBs don't USUALLY control games. Neither do QBs. LINEMEN control games. Games are won and lost in the trenches.

Just ask Steve Mckinney.
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So Tiki Barber doesn't control games?
Sadly, not always. The Panthers stacked it up against him and the Giants were beat because of their weakness at the QB position.
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I seriously can't wait to see you UT fans reaction when they annouce Reggie as the first pick instead of Vince.
... I can wait to see ALL Texans fans faces as Vince is lighting up the Texans in a Titans jersey while Carr still struggles and our Eric Metcalf (Reggie Bush) isn't enough to make a huge difference.
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I'd take Young before I'd risk taking Bush. I'd also play Wells more than I would DD, but then, I like to have a RB who can pass block.
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I'd take Young before I'd risk taking Bush. I'd also play Wells more than I would DD, but then, I like to have a RB who can pass block.
If we get Kubiak, I would like to see what he can do with Wells and DD. Maybe it is coincidence, but he has had better success with RB's than QB's.
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If we get Kubiak, I would like to see what he can do with Wells and DD. Maybe it is coincidence, but he has had better success with RB's than QB's.
I think he can get even more yardage out of them, but I don't see how he's gonna get DD to block better, unless maybe it just requires staying on his butt about it, sort of like Buchannon with the tackling.

I was just thinking about the Texans 2nd year and DD's rookie season. He got over 1000 yds. in like 11 games, I think it was, but we still only won one more game than our inaugural season when he wasn't with us. Why? Probably a serious lack of RB pass blocking. So, they used his superior pass catching ability, but that just led to dump off, after dump-off, after dump-off. DD can run it, but I still don't think he's the best RB on this team.

Bush? He won't pass block either. I just don't see that happening. We'll have two highly paid RBs who can't pass block. Result: I not happy.
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Sadly, not always. The Panthers stacked it up against him and the Giants were beat because of their weakness at the QB position.
The Panthers beat them badly because they won the battle in the trenches- their D-line beat up the Giants O-line and their QB had no time to throw. Wait a minute, that sounds familiar...
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Would I be too logical to think that Casserly and McNair realize that football is a game won by the guys no one talks about. The biggest guys on a football team get the least amount of credit. They don't need flash, they use brute force and superior technique. I may be giving Casserly too much credit, but I think he may know something about football, and I hope he does what's right for the team, not what's popular with the fans. I could care less if Reggie Bush ran for 5000 yards and Vince passed for 10000, both on other teams. I want the Texans to win. Offensive linemen, and defensive linemen have been proven time and time again to be the difference in most games. Once quarterbacks get to this level, they are really good, and when given time make good decisions. So working both sides of the ball, if the offensive line is good, the quarterback and runningback look really good. When the defensive line is good, it makes the other team's job much more difficult.
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Would I be too logical to think that Casserly and McNair realize that football is a game won by the guys no one talks about. The biggest guys on a football team get the least amount of credit. They don't need flash, they use brute force and superior technique. I may be giving Casserly too much credit, but I think he may know something about football, and I hope he does what's right for the team, not what's popular with the fans. I could care less if Reggie Bush ran for 5000 yards and Vince passed for 10000, both on other teams. I want the Texans to win. Offensive linemen, and defensive linemen have been proven time and time again to be the difference in most games. Once quarterbacks get to this level, they are really good, and when given time make good decisions. So working both sides of the ball, if the offensive line is good, the quarterback and runningback look really good. When the defensive line is good, it makes the other team's job much more difficult.
The debate over who controls the game is ridiculous. It all depends on the coaching style. In Denver, yes, the RB controls the game. In Indy, the QB controls the game (yeah I know Edge rushes for a lot of yards but who calls the running play at the line of scrimmage in the no-huddle offense? Peyton Manning-a QB). Both have proven to be valuable depending on the offense you run. I think as far as history goes, the most common #1 pick in NFL drafts is the QB b/c teams identify their poor performance with poor QB play. Also the upside of a good QB is greater than that of a good RB. A QB touches the ball on every offensive play where a RB touches the ball up to 35 times a game (depending on the offense of course). So the QB has more opportunity to excel and show his worth (or his unworthiness).

Let's just all agree in the heirarchy of importance between QB and RB for the Texans will depend on who the next HC is. If it's Kubiak or Linehan, then don't be surprised if we pick Bush. If it's anyone else, don't be surprised if we take Young or trade the pick down.

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