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Old 01-09-2006   #1
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Default Managment should admit that we are starting over

Here is an idea:

Admit that we are starting over. Make a big deal about it. Trade Carr and take VY then have a huge pep rally for the new Texans and create a ton of excitement for the upcomming year. The fact is just 2 years ago we were the loudest stadium in the NFL and I think that if we do start over and admit it we could still sell out next years games and create the same kind of atmospere that we had our first 3 years.

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First thing first, we need a coach. The new coach will determine if we are starting over.
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How many times have I read trade Carr. We cannot trade Carr unless we sign him to an extension then trade him, and even if we did that we would take a cap hit.
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How many close games did we lose this year?
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Default New Team....

Once a new coach is in place and assistants are hired, we will have a new team. They will influence draft selections, decide who plays and who should be released. As a young team with a new coach, they will most likely benefit from not having to "start over" because then they will be playing again like an expansion team with a ready made excuse of "rookie qb"...
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The reason that they dont say we are starting over, is because we arent.

We have cap room.
We have a QB, WR, RB combo.
And a new coach doesnt mean starting over.
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You understand that games will be sold out next year anyway. All those empty seats were paid for, just not sat in. Yeah they lost a little on overpriced merchandise and concessions, but at the start of next season everything will be right in Texans land, that is whether Reggie, VY, or whoever comes in.
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How many close games did we lose this year?
...close games to losing teams is still a loss, just like close wins are still a win--does that change the record?...don't think so, we're still 2-14
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How many close games did we lose this year?
tulexan you are too much man.
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...close games to losing teams is still a loss, just like close wins are still a win--does that change the record?...don't think so, we're still 2-14
I think there is a big difference between having a lot of close losses rather than blow outs. Close losses means that you are still being competitve and that it came down to a few plays at the end of the game. The pendulum of the victory could have swung our way but it didn't. Being blown out every week means that you are completely over matched. We lost several games on the last play of the game. As a result we were the worst team in the league. When Carolina went to the Super Bowl on the other hand, there were several games where they won in the final seconds of a game with a field goal or a blocked extra point. They could have easily been a middle of the pack or bottom of the barrel team that year but instead they were in the Super Bowl.
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Someone on the Draft VY camp please list in an intelligent and non-emotional way the traits, stats, and intangibles that make VY the right pick please... I want stats that show a consistency in his play also if that is possible, I personally thing Young will be a good QB but I want to know why you people want him here.
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Apparently, Vince Young's performance against USC is reason enough to warrant a draft pick from us. Don't get me wrong, I know he did great and all, but how come he couldn't do this against RICE?

Against USC:

30-40 267 yards, 19 rushes for 200 yards, 3 TD's

Against Rice:

8-14 101 yards, 1 INT, 8 carries for 77 yards, 0 TD'S total

Even if he only played for 3 quarters, he couldn't even score against them.
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Apparently, Vince Young's performance against USC is reason enough to warrant a draft pick from us. Don't get me wrong, I know he did great and all, but how come he couldn't do this against RICE?

Against USC:

30-40 267 yards, 19 rushes for 200 yards, 3 TD's

Against Rice:

8-14 101 yards, 1 INT, 8 carries for 77 yards, 0 TD'S total
Apparently, he knows how to step it up a notch in a big game.
To VY, it seems like winning means a lot more than just padding stats.
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Someone on the Draft VY camp please list in an intelligent and non-emotional way the traits, stats, and intangibles that make VY the right pick please... I want stats that show a consistency in his play also if that is possible, I personally thing Young will be a good QB but I want to know why you people want him here.

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Vince Young 163.95

David Carr 77.2

Even factoring in college vs NFL, that still looks like a butt spanking to me!
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Apparently, he knows how to step it up a notch in a big game.
To VY, it seems like winning means a lot more than just padding stats.
It wouldn't be too hard to "step it up" against that USC defense. Don't you think if Rice was shutting him down, he'd at least "step it up" there? He wouldn't be padding stats, just show that he is a better player than what actually was in that game.
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Vince Young 163.95

David Carr 77.2

Even factoring in college vs NFL, that still looks like a butt spanking to me!
Oh sure, let's see VY zone-read and option, run Shotgun offenses, and chuck it deep in the NFL. He'd get the same stats, wouldn't he?
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First thing first, we need a coach. The new coach will determine if we are starting over.
After going 2-14 why are you in denial. We are going from the bottom of the worst. If thats not starting over what is?
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Vince Young 163.95

David Carr 77.2

Even factoring in college vs NFL, that still looks like a butt spanking to me!
The highest QB rating possible in the NFL QB rating system is 158.33; I think this is a comparison of apples and oranges. Don't they call the college rating QB efficiency or something?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ram...hp?p=166&cat=1
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Oh sure, let's see VY zone-read and option, run Shotgun offenses, and chuck it deep in the NFL. He'd get the same stats, wouldn't he?
I guess David Carr can chunk it deep in the NFL too?!
18-46 - Franchise QB record
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I guess David Carr can chunk it deep in the NFL too?!
18-46 - Franchise QB record
You didn't answer my question. I couldn't care less if DC could chuck it deep himself.
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