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Old 01-08-2006   #1
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I hope this helps you guys I did this based on the same amount of games Carrs first 12 games this year compared to Youngs 12 , I put together a side by side of Carr compared to Young you will notice there isnt much difference except that Carr is playing on a pro level every defense Carr faces is better than the College defenses. Carr has 324 attempts and 194 complete thats about 60% behind a Oline that hasnt blocked well , Carr Rushed 51 times for 290 yards average of 5.7 , the only difference here is Carr didnt have near the attempts running he Passed more than Young but when Carr does run hes just as effective again on a pro level and Young on a College one. Against the Colleges with good defenses you will see Young didnt fair so well. Hope this Helps you realise Bush is the better pick.




heres Carrs 2000 College stats : 349 attempts 216 complete for 2729 yards thats 62%

thats for those of you that say you cant compare College to Pro which your right its hard too but as you see Carr's passing stats in college is just as good

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You cannot compare stat lines in football or every run and shoot QB would be the best qb...and that's just not the case. You have to actually watch these guys to form a credible opinion.
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well I have watched both all year and I just wanted to compare the stats , if the stats should favor anyone its Young sense its college
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It's not really about stats, but if you want to talk about stats to make your argument, fine.

Vince, the "running quarterback", had almost 900 more PASSING yards than Carr did.
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cant go by that thats including yards after the catch in College theres alot of yards after the catch and you also have to keep in mind Carr didnt have plays called all year where he threw down field , I Like Young alot but just showing a chart to show side by side and also to show we wont be missing anything by not picking him , Young wont get all those yards in the Profesional level against Pro level defenses
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Also, averaging 150-something yards a game would rate you somewhere around "awful".
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Stats only tell part of the story and without context they are completely meaningless.
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cant go by that thats including yards after the catch in College theres alot of yards after the catch and you also have to keep in mind Carr didnt have plays called all year where he threw down field
If you're going to try to qualify some of your stats, but not others, don't post them. Everyone's passing stats include YAC.
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I would personally like to have Bush and Young but I know that wont happen so you are better off chooseing what helps you now not later down the road and like I said Young wont perform the same as at the College level , most people are baseing there opinion on one rose bowl game where he faced the 39th ranked defense.
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Hope this Helps you realise Bush is the better pick.
No, but it makes me realize that Trading Down is.
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You cannot compare stat lines in football or every run and shoot QB would be the best qb...and that's just not the case. You have to actually watch these guys to form a credible opinion.
Carr's a run and shoot QB? Looked to me we ran the ball 70% of the time and then getting sacked another 15%. So, with that, it seems the pro QB against pro defenses still out performed a wanna be pro QB against college defenses.
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Carr's a run and shoot QB? Looked to me we ran the ball 70% of the time and then getting sacked another 15%. So, with that, it seems the pro QB against pro defenses still out performed a wanna be pro QB against college defenses.
That's just absurd. Young doesn't even need to throw the ball when up 45-12....his offense averaged 50 points a game or so. It's just goofy to compare anything like this.
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You know its funny how people live for the moment one moment the board is all Pro Bush then after 1 College championship game alot of you are pro Young all of the sudden , had Young of had a game like he did against A&M earlier this year nobody would be even considering him , instead he has a great game against a below average Defense on national television and now hes the best thing sense sliced bread LOL
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why don't you compare carr's 2001 season to young's 2005 season? like the one where carr had 46 TD's and 9 INT's. that is so lame to compare young's 2005 NCAA stats to carr's 2005 NFL stats.

# Colorado - Hit on 21 of 36 asttempts for 198 yards and a 21-yard touchdown
# Oregon State - Threw for 340 yards on 21 of 34 passes with 4 scores,
# Wisconsin - 22 of 38 for 240 yards and a pair of touchdowns.
# Tulsa - 22 of 29 passes for 314 yards and 3 touchdowns.
# Louisiana Tech> - 319 yards on 26 of 42 tosses with 2 touchdowns
# Colorado State - 28 of 37 throws for 389 yards and 2 scores.
# Boise State - Added 30 of 49 passes for 345 yards and 3 touchdowns.
# Hawaii - 28 of 45 attempts for 400 yards and 4 scores
# Rice - 20 of 32 passes for 334 yards and 4 touchdowns.
# Southern Methodist - 25 of 37 tries for 292 yards and another 4 scores.
# Nevada - 23 of 34 completions for 368 yards and 4 touchdowns.
# San Jose State - 328 yards on 21 of 36 attempts with 2 touchdowns.
# Utah State - 21 of 27 throws for 432 yards and 6 touchdowns.
# Michigan State (Silicon Valley Bowl) - 35 of 53 attempts for a career-best 531 yards and 4 touchdowns

along with 5 rushing TD's.

that's OK, i guess.
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its not lame because I am compareing the now not the past , we are trying to move forward not backward , you cant expect young to come in and set the world on fire his first year , he wouldnt even be on the same level as Carr his first year .
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You know its funny how people live for the moment one moment the board is all Pro Bush then after 1 College championship game alot of you are pro Young all of the sudden , had Young of had a game like he did against A&M earlier this year nobody would be even considering him , instead he has a great game against a below average Defense on national television and now hes the best thing sense sliced bread LOL
That's what I have been saying, but I have been well out posted on this topic.

Seems that we are in the same minority as the "trade down in the first round" posters.
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I dont want a trade down , unless it was one Heck of a Deal , I mean a really great deal , I want too see one of these guys in a Texan uniform next year along with the new coaching that would give us a positive outlook to start the new season you know out with the old in with the new type atmosphere , I was mearly stating which pick i think would have the biggest impact Now not later
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You can not compare college stats to NFL stats to try and prove anything. You are comparing mustard seeds to water melons. There is no comparison at all.
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why don't you compare carr's 2001 season to young's 2005 season? like the one where carr had 46 TD's and 9 INT's. that is so lame to compare young's 2005 NCAA stats to carr's 2005 NFL stats.
I dont get it. Why is it lame? Carr ,at a higher level, outperformed Vince at a lower level, in his championship season. The point that some are trying to make is if Young's stats in college are lower in college they will not improve when he get to the pro's where the compitition is much much harder.

The real stats we need to compare is after Vince's 2006 year and then compare Carr's 2002 stats.

Stats arent everything, the Redskins threw for 41 yards and still won their playoff game. It is a team effort and this whole entire team stank from top to bottom.
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