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Old 01-08-2006   #1
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I would like to say that this year I was able to see every game on TV if not in person. However, I live in Austin and when your team is not the Cowboys and they start losing you aren't going to be given the fancy treatment of seeing your team lose on TV. Instead I have to listen to a sorry 1260 am station that barely picks up the game. This is why I believe Vince Young can only help us.

The fan base would increase largely from Houston to Austin. Most of the fans on this board have been here tsince day one. We sat through 4-12, 5-11, 7-9, and unfortunately 2-12. We sat through bad football that has our QB getting sacked everytime he goes to throw and bad holding and false start penalties.

I understand not wanting to quit on David Carr. Are you really quitting on him though or are you being the class act you are and allowing him to start over from scratch like yourself. We've never been fair to him. Even after he pleaded to the team, we never put the line in front of him to show the skills he still had. Instead we allowed a bad coaching staff to strip him of any pocket awareness he had before he got here. Carr is going to be good but Vince will be a champion. His decision to come to the NFL says that alone. The Heisman was his for the taking with a return to UT. However the individual award is not what satisified him. It was the team trophy in the end that gave him the clear conscience to declare because he fulfilled his promise to his team and community.

Get Vince and sign Carr and Carr's stock will rise higher than it ever will. By trading Carr you are going to be winning for years to come because the value trading Carr will bring. Through that we can get the OL you need for Young because we already have the skill position players. If it takes another year or two, hey us Texans got patience that go back to the Oilers as long as greatness is in store. Right now we see no greatness, just goodness.

Worried about paying Carr 8 mil for three years after we let him go? Don't be, The fan base you will create from Houston to Austin will pay it right back. Carr's trade will allow us to get the vet we need and future lineman in the draft. Also by the time we get out of that deal Vince will be prepared to take on the NFL and dominate it for years to come.

Also, drafting Young eliminates the possibility of him becoming a Pro Bowler on a division rival. I don't know about you but I am so sick of being dominated by our division opponents franchise QB for so long that I am ready to swing back with one of our own.

You say you want our team to have players with outstanding character. Well when a guy gives up the individual award for a bigger challenge, I think it says enough of his character let alone the fact that he consulted with his Mom, family, churhc pastor and God. You will be getting a player with the same character as David, just better leadership which says alot because David has shown tremendous leadership.
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RW and Earl won Heismans and it got them exactly what in the NFL? VY is a talent but remember his destiny is not guarranteed.................
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RW and Earl won Heismans and it got them exactly what in the NFL? VY is a talent but remember his destiny is not guarranteed.................
Earl was a record breaking back and Ricky did a lot of damage until he didnt want to play any longer. Both were excellent and lived up to high expectations (even Ricky did with the Dolphins).
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Also, drafting Young eliminates the possibility of him becoming a Pro Bowler on a division rival. I don't know about you but I am so sick of being dominated by our division opponents franchise QB for so long that I am ready to swing back with one of our own.

You say you want our team to have players with outstanding character. Well when a guy gives up the individual award for a bigger challenge, I think it says enough of his character let alone the fact that he consulted with his Mom, family, churhc pastor and God. You will be getting a player with the same character as David, just better leadership which says alot because David has shown tremendous leadership.
this is not a bright statement.............no matter who you draft the Titans will always wind up with the one you chose to leave behind..............that risk will always be there.................
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In the Rose Bowl 4th quarter, 4th and 5. I saw a QB with such calmness as Elway and Montana. It wasn't just this Rose Bowl, it was the previous one and both this years and last years games. There is a reason he won Rose Bowl MVP twice in a row.

Worried about mechanics? Don't be. Go over any of his games over the last two years. You will see a QB that changed his game from his freshman season. He learned to read defenses and instead of running he looked for pass first. He can read defenses. TEs don't get that many touches and TDs because plays are drawn up for the TE.

Everything is lined up well Bob. He declared before Bush did. You can call him now. Get on the phone and draft him. If we are wrong, us fans will still be fans and we will take it on the chin. But this kid is from our back yard. Do what is right and draft him. We've stuck by you even when the NFL was saying no to you and for these very long four seasons. We deserve it.
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Drafting Young also guareentees that Texan fans in Austin will be able to watch the Texans every week. I do believe there is no way that any Austin station wouldn't show Texans game next year whether the Texans are 10-6, or 2-14.
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Earl was a record breaking back and Ricky did a lot of damage until he didnt want to play any longer. Both were excellent and lived up to high expectations (even Ricky did with the Dolphins).
nice sidestep of the question...............they both won nothing.............the pro game is not about individual talent.............it is about a team.............and VY needs alot of work before he can lead a pro team.............he was a great college QB but so was Danny Wuerfeul
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this is not a bright statement.............no matter who you draft the Titans will always wind up with the one you chose to leave behind..............that risk will always be there.................
There are 3 top players in this draft, Texans take Young, New Orleans shocks everyone and takes Bush (or vise versa) and the Titans reunite Chow with Lienart (gives him a great headstart). Chances are the Titans will get someone that will cause the Texans problems twice a year for seasons to come.
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But it won't be our own.
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There are 3 top players in this draft, Texans take Young, New Orleans shocks everyone and takes Bush (or vise versa) and the Titans reunite Chow with Lienart (gives him a great headstart). Chances are the Titans will get someone that will cause the Texans problems twice a year for seasons to come.
this is someone who gets it.....................
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Drafting Young also guareentees that Texan fans in Austin will be able to watch the Texans every week. I do believe there is no way that any Austin station wouldn't show Texans game next year whether the Texans are 10-6, or 2-14.
this argumnet is alot like the one the Lions faced when they drafted Charlie Rogers................great local boy college WR.............and look at how that bombed..................I think the UT homers here are completely blinded and i for one hope you pressure McNair into taking him and leaving Bush for us.
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Rogers didn't win jack compared to Young and let's face it, Rogers will never be anywere close to the player Young is.
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nice sidestep of the question..
Earl is in the Hall of Fame and helped the Oilers reach the AFC championship his 1st and 2nd years with team.

Ricky finished the season strong as a key part of the 6 game win streak to finish the Dolphin's season. Over 300 combined yards in his final 2 starts as the featured back. Yeah, he's back.



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Rogers didn't win jack compared to Young and let's face it, Rogers will never be anywere close to the player Young is.
No doubt! And was Rogers ever the National Championship MVP?
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this argumnet is alot like the one the Lions faced when they drafted Charlie Rogers................great local boy college WR.............and look at how that bombed..................I think the UT homers here are completely blinded and i for one hope you pressure McNair into taking him and leaving Bush for us.
I'm not saying you draft Young because you'll be on TV every week in Austin. You still draft who you think is going to help your team the most. All I know is there could be a lot of boos on draft day no matter who you draft.
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Vinny is there a way you can put all my postings as one big one. I had to type this like 3 times because the system kept logging me out. So to keep that from happening I just made sure I posted every so often.

Sorry guys for the choppiness but I had to get this off somehow.
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nice sidestep of the question...............they both won nothing.............the pro game is not about individual talent.............it is about a team.............and VY needs alot of work before he can lead a pro team.............he was a great college QB but so was Danny Wuerfeul
There are a lot of players that won nothing. I guess Marino was junk, too...
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Bush hasn't declared yet, and there's no guarantee he will. We all assume that he will, but the final say is his and he can always choose to stay on another yr. The Titans have the third pick, but there is no guarantee they will get a player that will kick our *** yet. Also as fierce as the competition is you can't expect any player to come out to get it for us. All you can do is hope he will give the team a better shot and play to the best of his potential. Ricky Williams proved his value when he left. The Dolphins sucked without him. Now that he's back that doesn't guarantee the Dolphins jack, but they have a better shot when he's out there. That is what we want from Young a player that will give us a better shot, one player does not make a team, but that one player can make a difference.
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Earl is in the Hall of Fame and helped the Oilers reach the AFC championship his 1st and 2nd years with team.

Ricky finished the season strong as a key part of the 6 game win streak to finish the Dolphin's season. Over 300 combined yards in his final 2 starts as the featured back. Yeah, he's back.



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the point of the rambling???....................................... ..they still won nothing.............its like McNair Marino Fouts and Manning.......................all great talents individually..................they won nothing.
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And you really think Bush is that much of a differnce maker. Hell, Barry Sanders never won jack either. I go with the legend.
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