Bob McNair and this franchise are at a crossroads - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

Wordem · 01-08-2006

If they pass on Young, who indicated in his press conference that he would love to come home, and if he has ANY kind of success in Nashville playing for the freaking Oilers, McNair will lose this city. I grew up in the Astrodome watching the Astros and Oilers. A gaffe like this will not be tolerated nor will it be forgiven. The honeymoon is long over. Bob McNair is not stupid. Vince Young will be a Texan or this team will be doomed in a very fickle sports town. We never forgave Bud for firing Bum and we never forgave McMullen for letting Nolan go.

If he misses with Young, he WILL be forgiven. If not, he will lose fans and money. It's just that simple.

ALIVE287 · 01-08-2006

here, here

bigcarlos · 01-08-2006

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Originally Posted by Wordem

We never forgave Bud for firing Bum .

LMAO...I thought I was the only one that holds that against him to this day

the wonger need food · 01-08-2006

They have to take VY, not really much of a choice here... he is a special talent.

They should be able to get a 3rd, maybe a 2nd rounder for Davie Franchise from a team that is desperate for a potentially average QB.

Wordem · 01-08-2006

Fans of professional sports in Houston have long memories.

**Kaiser Toro** · 01-08-2006

Only in Texas would a 20 year grudge still be ongoing over a Bud firing a Bum.

The Dream · 01-08-2006

I agree, this franchise will be scarred for life if they pass on Vince, and he turns out to be great (especially if he goes to the Titans)...........I smell "a curse of Bambino" of some sort.

ALIVE287 · 01-08-2006

All I know is that we were 2-14...It can't get much worse. RB is our deepest position. Let's get rid of Carr and start over with the hometown hero and a new coach and GM.

Wordem · 01-08-2006

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Originally Posted by jerek

Yes, Vince Young will be a Texan or else ... we will all be doomed?

Honestly, stop watching TV. Stop watching ESPN, stop reading Yahoo Sports and whatever other media source it is that is heaping gasoline on this ridiculous fire. It is making this board dumber by the minute. I mean, what the hell, I suppose lightning will strike, and this next hurricane will park itself over Reliant until every last brick is washed away?

Could you try any harder?

You just don't get it.

tulexan · 01-08-2006

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Originally Posted by Wordem

You just don't get it.

I guess you know more than the talent evaluators around the league.

Tulip · 01-08-2006

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Originally Posted by bigcarlos

LMAO...I thought I was the only one that holds that against him to this day

That's the biggest reason we told him to watch out for the door hitting his rear end on the way out. I'm so glad he left.

Mr. White · 01-08-2006

...and ditching Earl and Warren Moon and moving the team....

The Dream · 01-08-2006

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All I know is that we were 2-14...It can't get much worse. RB is our deepest position. Let's get rid of Carr and start over with the hometown hero and a new coach and GM

EXACTLY..........honestly can Vince do any worst of a job than Carr???....people act like David is something special, when he's not.

**Hookem Horns** · 01-08-2006

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Originally Posted by tulexan

I guess you know more than the talent evaluators around the league.

No, the problem is Casserly doesn't.

Tulip · 01-08-2006

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Originally Posted by Wordem

If they pass on Young, who indicated in his press conference that he would love to come home, and if he has ANY kind of success in Nashville playing for the freaking Oilers, McNair will lose this city. I grew up in the Astrodome watching the Astros and Oilers. A gaffe like this will not be tolerated nor will it be forgiven. The honeymoon is long over. Bob McNair is not stupid. Vince Young will be a Texan or this team will be doomed in a very fickle sports town. We never forgave Bud for firing Bum and we never forgave McMullen for letting Nolan go.

If he misses with Young, he WILL be forgiven. If not, he will lose fans and money. It's just that simple.

It's a huge risk for him, because if Vince tears it up for the Titans and shows the Texans up in Reliant Stadium once a year, he will never live it down.

But I disagree that he's not the stupid. He is strangely devoted to his man David. I fully expect to see the Texans pass on Vince Young.

Wordem · 01-08-2006

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Originally Posted by tulexan

I guess you know more than the talent evaluators around the league.

It has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with ticket sales and a fickle fan base. It's in McNair's economic interest to take Young, who I believe is the most talented player on the board. Go by the book. Take the best player available. That is Vince Young, the hometown hero? You think Olajuwon was popular?? You have no idea what VY will do to rally fans in Houston.

Tulip · 01-08-2006

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Originally Posted by coreyvice

...and ditching Earl and Warren Moon and moving the team....

Yep. Warren Moon was my final straw, but Bud did plenty before that to nudge me.

dat_boy_yec · 01-08-2006

If Young has really declared, then I would hope Reggie doesn't declare. Then it would be ok to pick VY or trade down to another team that wants VY. The one thing I could not tolerate would be the Titans having young. Also, all these scenarios depend on Bush and Young coming out, the draft order remainin unchanged and the Saints passing on Young. Nobody really knows what NO will do. I don't know I just hope these next few months go by in the blink of an eye.

Tulip · 01-08-2006

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Originally Posted by dat_boy_yec

If Young has really declared, then I would hope Reggie doesn't declare. Then it would be ok to pick VY or trade down to another team that wants VY. The one thing I could not tolerate would be the Titans having young. Also, all these scenarios depend on Bush and Young coming out, the draft order remainin unchanged and the Saints passing on Young. Nobody really knows what NO will do. I don't know I just hope these next few months go by in the blink of an eye.

Vince Young declared at 3:00 today. Which means Casserly can comment on him tonight at 10:35 pm on Channel 13, lol.

I would be thrilled if Reggie didn't declare, but I can't see that happening.

RTP2110 · 01-08-2006

It doesn't matter to me really who the Texans draft. we have the #1 pick, so whoever we get will help us. The thing is this, the Texans have to make the decision that is in the best interests of the franchise. Obviously winning is #1 on the priority list. The Texans have to draft the player that will help them win the most. In the case of Vince Young they cannot make a decision on him based on where he is from, or on what team might draft him if they pass on him. They have to draft the player who gives them the best chance at winning, everything else is irrelevant. Any decision they make will be second guessed, whether they draft Young, Bush, or trade the pick.

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01-08-2006	#1
Wordem Veteran Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 185 Rep Power: 0	Bob McNair and this franchise are at a crossroads If they pass on Young, who indicated in his press conference that he would love to come home, and if he has ANY kind of success in Nashville playing for the freaking Oilers, McNair will lose this city. I grew up in the Astrodome watching the Astros and Oilers. A gaffe like this will not be tolerated nor will it be forgiven. The honeymoon is long over. Bob McNair is not stupid. Vince Young will be a Texan or this team will be doomed in a very fickle sports town. We never forgave Bud for firing Bum and we never forgave McMullen for letting Nolan go. If he misses with Young, he WILL be forgiven. If not, he will lose fans and money. It's just that simple.

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ALIVE287 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005 Age: 30 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	here, here

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the wonger need food Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston Age: 43 Posts: 2,534 Rep Power: 1085	They have to take VY, not really much of a choice here... he is a special talent. They should be able to get a 3rd, maybe a 2nd rounder for Davie Franchise from a team that is desperate for a potentially average QB.

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The Dream Hall of Fame Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pearland Age: 27 Posts: 4,220 Rep Power: 0	I agree, this franchise will be scarred for life if they pass on Vince, and he turns out to be great (especially if he goes to the Titans)...........I smell "a curse of Bambino" of some sort.

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dat_boy_yec All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 31 Posts: 943 Rep Power: 10	If Young has really declared, then I would hope Reggie doesn't declare. Then it would be ok to pick VY or trade down to another team that wants VY. The one thing I could not tolerate would be the Titans having young. Also, all these scenarios depend on Bush and Young coming out, the draft order remainin unchanged and the Saints passing on Young. Nobody really knows what NO will do. I don't know I just hope these next few months go by in the blink of an eye.

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RTP2110 Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Shore Age: 33 Posts: 2,782 Rep Power: 1845	It doesn't matter to me really who the Texans draft. we have the #1 pick, so whoever we get will help us. The thing is this, the Texans have to make the decision that is in the best interests of the franchise. Obviously winning is #1 on the priority list. The Texans have to draft the player that will help them win the most. In the case of Vince Young they cannot make a decision on him based on where he is from, or on what team might draft him if they pass on him. They have to draft the player who gives them the best chance at winning, everything else is irrelevant. Any decision they make will be second guessed, whether they draft Young, Bush, or trade the pick.

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