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Old 01-08-2006   #1
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Reports are surfacing that the Texans are going to take Reggie Bush even if with Vince coming out. I have NO problems with that whatsoever. I think Bush is the right pick and a better player.

Here is what I do have a problem with. Why are you revealing this information? You should keep EVERY NFL team in suspense of who you are going to take. That will make the teams drafting behind you nervous that you might take "their" guy and increase the trade value of the pick.

Say the Titans want Young bad (which I think they do). They are sitting in the #3 draft position. If the Texans are smart, they should threaten to take Young. That would force the Titans to trade up to get him. They would probably offer their #3 overall pick and a 2nd or 3rd rounder at least. Then New Orleans takes Leinert at #2 and guess what??? We still get our guy Reggie Bush at # 3 AND pick up more picks!!!! (the best of both worlds)

Why are we playing into the hands of our opponents yet again by revealing what we are going to do ahead of time? We are decreasing the value of one of the most valuable draft picks in recent memory!
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These reports aren't quoting Casserly. I'm not sure how much they are really leaking and how much is speculation.

But it's definitely not odd for the Texans to "lock in" on a player too early.
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It's not a given that the Saints won't take Young - or trade the pick to someone else. If Martz is the new Saints coach - Young could go to New Orleans.
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I've heard different reports from different people. McClain said in todays paper that ESPN has been wrong on two accounts and he still likes taking Vince with Kubiak and Gray as the D guy. I just think people are going to have to calm down and realize there is going to be 3 months of this.
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I think Martz coaching NO would make it more likely to take Leinart instead of Young.
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These reports aren't quoting Casserly. I'm not sure how much they are really leaking and how much is speculation.

But it's definitely not odd for the Texans to "lock in" on a player too early.
Not quotes, but Cass did tell Bob Glauber that we would not be drafting a QB and Glauber said it on National TV. That leaves the option of Bush or trading down, and I am sure our new coach will have a hand in it, so no one really knows what will happen. Or we could just be driving the price of Bush up, or it could all be smokescreens.
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that is a great post, i couldn't agree more.
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It could all be propaganda and smoke screens to keep the other teams guessing,
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VY will not be drafted by the texans so get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! sorry to break the news to you longhorn fans
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Saints fan or a Titan lover?
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The Texans can say anything and it means nothing. It is all smoke and mirrors. It will be done behind closed doors. The deals will be cut weeks befor the draft actually takes place. Any conversation by us is pure speculation.
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Reports are surfacing that the Texans are going to take Reggie Bush even if with Vince coming out. I have NO problems with that whatsoever. I think Bush is the right pick and a better player.

Here is what I do have a problem with. Why are you revealing this information? You should keep EVERY NFL team in suspense of who you are going to take. That will make the teams drafting behind you nervous that you might take "their" guy and increase the trade value of the pick.

Say the Titans want Young bad (which I think they do). They are sitting in the #3 draft position. If the Texans are smart, they should threaten to take Young. That would force the Titans to trade up to get him. They would probably offer their #3 overall pick and a 2nd or 3rd rounder at least. Then New Orleans takes Leinert at #2 and guess what??? We still get our guy Reggie Bush at # 3 AND pick up more picks!!!! (the best of both worlds)

Why are we playing into the hands of our opponents yet again by revealing what we are going to do ahead of time? We are decreasing the value of one of the most valuable draft picks in recent memory!
You have to hype the pick up and make it sound like you really want a guy so teams will offer bigger trades to you, so if you do decide to trade down (which I'm in favor of), a team will offer more to you if they think you really want a guy than if they think you don't really want him.
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Reports are surfacing that the Texans are going to take Reggie Bush even if with Vince coming out. I have NO problems with that whatsoever. I think Bush is the right pick and a better player.

Here is what I do have a problem with. Why are you revealing this information? You should keep EVERY NFL team in suspense of who you are going to take. That will make the teams drafting behind you nervous that you might take "their" guy and increase the trade value of the pick.

Say the Titans want Young bad (which I think they do). They are sitting in the #3 draft position. If the Texans are smart, they should threaten to take Young. That would force the Titans to trade up to get him. They would probably offer their #3 overall pick and a 2nd or 3rd rounder at least. Then New Orleans takes Leinert at #2 and guess what??? We still get our guy Reggie Bush at # 3 AND pick up more picks!!!! (the best of both worlds)

Why are we playing into the hands of our opponents yet again by revealing what we are going to do ahead of time? We are decreasing the value of one of the most valuable draft picks in recent memory!
Good post- that scenario would be awesome if it came to fruition. trading down just two spots from #1 to #3 is worth a mid 2nd round pick, according to the point chart I've seen: http://www.askthecommish.com/2005nfl...alue_board.asp

Bush if he's there at #3 or D'Brickshaw, then more O-line + defense with the 2 second round picks, and O-line and defense again in the 3rd. That could be as many as 5 impact rookies. How sweet would that be.....
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VY will not be drafted by the texans so get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! sorry to break the news to you longhorn fans

once again, im screaming into a hurricane, but please stop speaking in absolutes.
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once again, im screaming into a hurricane, but please stop speaking in absolutes.
so should a lot of other people here, claiming VY=Elway and Montana

its goin bothways these days
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I don't know how the media can speculate right now.. we dont' have a coaching staff just yet

If Mike Martz was coaching the team..he'd look for a Reggie Bush with his style of offense..If we got a coach like Jeff Fisher where he likes a strong defense and a punishing RB .. well Bush isn't going to fit the build with that..
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VY will not be drafted by the texans so get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! sorry to break the news to you longhorn fans
Oh God! I've never been called a Longhorn fan my whole life.

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This is my theory:

I think VY was told by Texans official that we'd take him: "We'll sign Carr, we'll trade Carr, and we'll draft you No. 1 on draft day..."

To me, VY did not declare immediately because it took time for the process to get sorted out amongst McNair and other high-ups.

That's why you had a leaked story in ESPN.com about Texans drafting "Bush no matter what" since we (wink-wink) will pick up Carr's option.

When you think about it, Casserly and the Texans DIDN'T ACTUALLY LIE when they said they would not be taking Leinart because (wink-wink) "we don't have a need for a QB." Everyone assumed that comment meant that Carr was the guy, but with the sensitivity of the NFL and NCAA toward luring comments...it looks like Casserly very selectively beat around the bush (pardon the pun) enough to do all sorts of things with that comment: (1) Didn't get in trouble with NFL/NCAA because the comment wasn't trying to lure VY into declaring; (2) Made Carr feel safe so he WOULD re-sign and think everything was fine rather than walking out and leaving us empty handed ; and (3) Landing us a trade (picks and/or players) for Carr.

So now we get VY AND players and/or more picks for Carr.

I just do not see VY coming out for the draft for anything less than being drafted numero uno. Do you?

Remember that this guy (Casserly) is a daring GM. He might not look good on camera, but I wouldn't put it past him to have orchestrated something as bizarre as what I just theorized.
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gp - if Casserly pulled that off....... man that would completely quiet the critics (well, for a little while) of some of his previous selections and the way they were acquired.

It'd be interesting.
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Something about Young's declaration makes me think we're getting him. That's not something I heard anywhere. It's just a gut feeling. I wonder if somebody could construct a timeline of the past half week or so. I can only talk from hearsay for most of it. I know that at the end of the Rose Bowl, he sounded like a guy ready to go pro. I heard that on the Tonight Show, he was asked about going to Houston, and he said that it was one of the reasons he was giving consideration to going pro. When he announced about going pro today, he talked about how much he liked being able to play in his hometown. He then gave a synopsis of why he thought Carr was a great QB, and acknowledged that he could go to NO or TN. I am having a hard time finding tangibles. Can anyone vouch for this? It sounds like he's going to Houston. If not there, then he wants the Titans.
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