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Old 01-07-2006   #1
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Default If WE Get Kubiak then whats the point on drafting Reggie!

Kubiak has proved to be able to make not so good RB into Great ones. Im not saying that DD isnt good but I think kubiak could make our running game a lot better. So I dont see why we dont get VY when he can make our Running game GREAT!!! What do yall think?
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Because Kubiak really likes David Carr and wants to win right now not in a few years.
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I agree. But then you would have to change your username.
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Because unlike 99.999999999% of posters on this MB, Kubiak thinks he can take Carr to the next level.

So let me be the first .....

FIRE KUBIAK!

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Well with VY great leadership I think that and kubiak making DD better could turn this team around.
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Yeah, if Kubiak does get hired, we could trade down and load up on defense and the offensive linemen he wants...
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We're gonna take Bush with the first pick. I think he and VY will be great, so taking either one won't be a mistake.
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what an idea, i cant believe it hasnt been suggested before... just kidding, if we draft reggie or VY i will boycott the texans, not really, but at least i thought about it, does that count for anything?
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We're gonna take Bush with the first pick. I think he and VY will be great, so taking either one won't be a mistake.
just becasue CC says we will draft Bush does not mean we will. he could just be saying that to make a team desparate enough to give the farm..
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just becasue CC says we will draft Bush does not mean we will. he could just be saying that to make a team desparate enough to give the farm..
Cass has not said we will draft Bush, all he said the day of the Rose Bowl is that we are not drafting Leinhart. Cass cannot talk about junior ball players.
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Actually he said before the Rose Bowl that we would not be drafting Leinart. He said after the Rose Bowl that we would not be drafting a quarterback but will be drafting a playmaking running back.
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the Denver offense works with a pocket QB.
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He did NOT say anything about drafting a "playmaking running back"!

He said they wouldn't be drafting Matt Lienart. Period.
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Bob Glauber said it. I remember hearing those exact words come out of his mouth.

It was on Cold Pizza the morning after the Rose Bowl.
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That's an excellent question and one that I'd like to take a shot at.

If Gary Kubiak brings the Texans what basically amounts to the entire Denver Broncos playbook then it's impossible to miss the fact that the Broncos get good yardage out of most every back the insert. Let's look at the backs they've used since Shanahan got there.

1995: 237 attempts for 1117 yards and a 4.7 average (Davis)
1996: 345 attempts for 1538 yards and a 4.5 average (Davis)
1997: 369 attempts for 1750 yards and a 4.7 average (Davis)
1998: 392 attempts for 2008 yards and a 5.1 average (Davis)
1999: 276 attempts for 1159 yards and a 4.2 average. (Gary)
2000: 297 attempts for 1487 yards and a 5.0 average. (Anderson)
2001: 342 attempts for 1379 yards and a 4.0 average. (Davis + Anderson)
2002: 273 attempts for 1508 yards and a 5.5 average. (Portis)
2003: 290 attempts for 1591 yards and a 5.5 average. (Portis)
2004: 275 attempts for 1240 yards and a 4.5 average. (Droughns)
2005: 411 attempts for 1935 yards and a 4.7 average. (Anderson + Bell)

That's a lot of running and a lot of yards. I'd love for my team to have a series of backs and a running game like that for a decade. One thing you can't ignore though is that that many carries and that much mileage tends to wear down your RB. Terrell Davis had injuries, Mike Anderson missed 2004. The Broncos plug a lot of backs into their "system" because they go through a lot of backs. Davis alone will drop dead from this kind of workload. Obviously if you look at the list the Broncos generally get more out of more talented backs. Davis and Portis did better than Gary, Anderson (except for one great year), and Droughns.


Add Bush to Davis, Wells, and Morency and you have a kick butt backfield. We do need running backs in the Denver system. We do not need Vince Young. As Grid already mentioned the Denver offense doesn't require the next Mike Vick.

Kubiak and this system helped make Jake Plummer a winner, David Carr should prove to be no obstacle.
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Kubiak and this system helped make Jake Plummer a winner, David Carr should prove to be no obstacle.
I know I'll get ripped but who cares: Jake Plummer, however, use to win in the clutch in Arizona when they sucked and had nobody before except Mr. Steriod. He lead the league in 4th quarter comebacks when he was in Arizona. Carr has one or two games trailing in the 4th. People think Plummer sucked horribly in Arizona and the Denver system brought him from total garbage to Pro Bowl level. He was never garbage, in my opinion he was just a guy who tried too hard because he had no one and wanted to win. When the game was on the line, Plummer stepped up. Carr hasnt done that here.


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COMEBACK JR. — Denver is used to seeing comeback wins. John Elway made a career out of late heroics, tying or winning a game in the fourth quarter or overtime a record 47 times.

Plummer is creeping up on his storied predecessor, however.

With the win over the Panthers, Plummer completed his 24th career game-winning or tying fourth-quarter comeback.
http://www.coloradoan.com/news/color...4_droughns.htm

That's after the Carolina/Denver game last season....
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That's an excellent question and one that I'd like to take a shot at.

If Gary Kubiak brings the Texans what basically amounts to the entire Denver Broncos playbook then it's impossible to miss the fact that the Broncos get good yardage out of most every back the insert. Let's look at the backs they've used since Shanahan got there.

1995: 237 attempts for 1117 yards and a 4.7 average (Davis)
1996: 345 attempts for 1538 yards and a 4.5 average (Davis)
1997: 369 attempts for 1750 yards and a 4.7 average (Davis)
1998: 392 attempts for 2008 yards and a 5.1 average (Davis)
1999: 276 attempts for 1159 yards and a 4.2 average. (Gary)
2000: 297 attempts for 1487 yards and a 5.0 average. (Anderson)
2001: 342 attempts for 1379 yards and a 4.0 average. (Davis + Anderson)
2002: 273 attempts for 1508 yards and a 5.5 average. (Portis)
2003: 290 attempts for 1591 yards and a 5.5 average. (Portis)
2004: 275 attempts for 1240 yards and a 4.5 average. (Droughns)
2005: 411 attempts for 1935 yards and a 4.7 average. (Anderson + Bell)

That's a lot of running and a lot of yards. I'd love for my team to have a series of backs and a running game like that for a decade. One thing you can't ignore though is that that many carries and that much mileage tends to wear down your RB. Terrell Davis had injuries, Mike Anderson missed 2004. The Broncos plug a lot of backs into their "system" because they go through a lot of backs. Davis alone will drop dead from this kind of workload. Obviously if you look at the list the Broncos generally get more out of more talented backs. Davis and Portis did better than Gary, Anderson (except for one great year), and Droughns.


Add Bush to Davis, Wells, and Morency and you have a kick butt backfield. We do need running backs in the Denver system. We do not need Vince Young. As Grid already mentioned the Denver offense doesn't require the next Mike Vick.

Kubiak and this system helped make Jake Plummer a winner, David Carr should prove to be no obstacle.
I agree with what you say here. I just don't know about taking Bush with the 1st overall pick. I agree that if you bring Kubiak here and have a backfield with Bush/Davis we would have a helluva 1-2 punch. However I have heard some scouts say that Bush will be a 10-15 carry a game back in the NFL. IMO using the 1st pick and paying Bush #1 overall pick money would be a bit hefty for a back who splits time in the backfield and is not used as a primary back. I would be curious to see a Davis/Morency backfield behind a Kubiak offensive line. One thing is for sure, this will probably be the most interesting offseason to date. I honestly can say I have no idea what I really want to see happen draftwise for us, yet.
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From what ive heard... Bush will be a 10-20 carries a game back.. but you can also get 5-7 catches a game out of him too.

So yah, he will be splitting carries with DD.. but that isnt all we could use him for. Davis and Bush both are capable backs when it comes to catching the ball.. it would be interesting to see what kind of plays we could run with two backs that can do that so well.
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I know I'll get ripped but who cares: Jake Plummer, however, use to win in the clutch in Arizona when they sucked and had nobody before except Mr. Steriod. He lead the league in 4th quarter comebacks when he was in Arizona. Carr has one or two games trailing in the 4th. People think Plummer sucked horribly in Arizona and the Denver system brought him from total garbage to Pro Bowl level. He was never garbage, in my opinion he was just a guy who tried too hard because he had no one and wanted to win. When the game was on the line, Plummer stepped up. Carr hasnt done that here.

Nobody has done that here. Our offense has baby stepped for four years and just when we thought that it would pick it up a little bit following 2004 it collapsed and went so far back into it's collective shell that 2002 was starting to look good again. How many times have the Texans "gone for it" late in games here? How many times have we marched out to a 3, 7, or every once in a while a 10 point lead just to sit on it through the entire second half? I've seen bad things from Carr so I don't think he's above criticism. Don't get me wrong about that. I just think that almost nobody on this team has been put into a position to win or even improve.

Give him one season in a system that isn't the complete abomination that resulted from mixing Capers "peanut butter" with Palmers "chocolate". If he can't get it done then fine, we go in a different direction. There's always going to be another possibility at QB out there.

It doesn't really matter though because the Texans are going to give him his bonus and are committed to making him work. Kubiak, if he's the new coach will do what the Texans tell him to do. He's going to try and turn Carr's career around. I hope he succeeds.
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I honestly think that if Carr fails after getting another shot with a new coach, and an improved line.. the fans will stop supporting his being here (those that sitll do), and we will see a change.

If the rest of the team is working out good.. and Carr is a noticable flaw.. his days will be numbered. Face of the franchise or not.
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