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Old 01-07-2006   #1
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...then Vince will take somebody to the Super Bowl. It's called "intangibles", it's called the "it factor." Whatever you wanna call it, VY has it and DC doesn't. That's the bottom line. How many come from behind wins does Carr have? Did Fresno State even win their conference when he was there? Carr at best might be another Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson. Vince Young at best might be another John Elway or Joe Montana.

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Chris Simms has nothing to do with the Bucs going to the playoffs. The Bucs defense is the reason why they are there. That is like saying Kyle Orton has lead the Bears to the playoffs.
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Simms hasn't been having a bad year though.
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Simms is having a good enough year to go to the playoffs. How many passes have the Bucs' D thrown into the end zone?
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VY is taking a team to the super bowl if wed are playing in a silo
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If Chris Simms can, thats more proof that the Texans should trade down. If anything, Simms hurts this argument. Both of these teams have excellent defenses. We are not even close. Our depth anywhere on defense is horrible.
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Simms is a good example of how an average QB can get you to the playoffs if he has help from his defense and his Oline.

If Carr had the help that Simms had, im betting he could take us to a superbowl too.
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Simms is a good example of how an average QB can get you to the playoffs if he has help from his defense and his Oline.

If Carr had the help that Simms had, im betting he could take us to a superbowl too.
This is why there is no need to pay first pick money on a QB.
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hmmm.. Well its an arguement for why its not always NECESSARY to pay first pick money for a QB.. but then there is Peyton Manning, and other 1st pick QBs in the past who have been worth the money.

Either way is a viable option. We already have Carr though, and I think we should go ahead and pay the money to keep him around for the new coaching staff.. see if he is worth it or not. ANd if not, replace him later.. there will be other QBs.. and we can focus on improving other weaknesses on the team while Carr is getting his second chance.
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david carr can lead his team to the playoffs....period. I mean if kyle orton can do it, any qb can....if trent dilfer can win a sb, any qb can! The difference is the people around carr. Andre johnson is the only legitimate playmaker we have on offense. J wells and morency given a chance can both run for 1000 and catch 30 passes....we've seen how they played when given chances....domanik davis is an avg rb nothing more nothing less. The texans need to surround carr with playmakers, a real offensive line, and better coaching...bottom line!
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david carr can lead his team to the playoffs....period. I mean if kyle orton can do it, any qb can....if trent dilfer can win a sb, any qb can! The difference is the people around carr. Andre johnson is the only legitimate playmaker we have on offense. J wells and morency given a chance can both run for 1000 and catch 30 passes....we've seen how they played when given chances....domanik davis is an avg rb nothing more nothing less. The texans need to surround carr with playmakers, a real offensive line, and better coaching...bottom line!
OK. Then why don't the Texans just decline to pick up Carr's option and start Dave Ragone? The Texans can just spend David's money on some playmakers and o-line for Ragone. And they can pick up another rookie QB in the 3rd or 4th round.
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chris simms can take a team to the first round of the playoffs and then lose....
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chris simms can take a team to the first round of the playoffs and then lose....
LOL, I just watched the game-ending interception. Still, it must have been nice to win the division and actually go to the playoffs. I would have taken that over playing in the "Bush Bowl".
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Chris Simms has nothing to do with the Bucs going to the playoffs. The Bucs defense is the reason why they are there. That is like saying Kyle Orton has lead the Bears to the playoffs.
I AGREE. SIMS SUCKS!!!
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This is why there is no need to pay first pick money on a QB.
Peyton, Eli, and Carson might have something to say to that. This proves that you must have something to hang your hat on, whether its a great D (TB, Bears), great O (, Cincy, Pats) or well round (Redskins, Giants, etc...). We have neither. also, the bengals D led the league in turnovers. we have to be a complete team to have sucess, VY or Bush will not increase the number of sacks or turnovers our D forces...
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Simms hasn't been having a bad year though.
Simms year vs Carrs year.

Player Games Comp Att Pct Yds Yds/Att TD INT

Simms 11 191 313 61.0 2035 6.5 10 7
Carr 16 256 423 60.5 2488 5.9 14 11


They don't look all that different to me. Their completion percentage is a half a percentage point different as is Yds/Att and Carr's got more TD's (and more INT's too) as you might expect since he played in all 16 games.

Which one is it. Is Carr "sub par" or did he not have a bad year? If Chris Simms didn't have a bad year with numbers like this then how could Carr's numbers make his year "sub-par"?
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Vince Young is not remotely comparable to Joe Montana, and is hardly similar to Elway. Of all the names you could have used to make your case, why would you automatically discredit your analysis by comparing Vince to one of those two?
If you go back and read the post you quoted, you will see that he's comparing Vince to them based on intangibles.

Vince is like Elway and Montana in that he finds a way to win the ball game.
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