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Old 01-06-2006   #1
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Default Vince Young = Matt Jones

per Chris Mortensen on the Dan Patrick show.

This guy is like the Peter Gammons of NFL for ESPN.

Lets take a look at this...

They both throw the ball about the same
Jones is faster than Vince
Similar size

The difference? Vince was obviously surrounded by better talent and coaching at Texas.

He's spoken with personnel people around the league, and the general consensus is "hold on a sec, don't get caught up in one game. The other point he made was "in the NFL, you don't get faster, you get slower" meaning that everything around you speeds up. He also said that if you take his thows from this year, close the passing window down, like it will at the NFL, then everything changes.

Just throwin out someone elses opinion out there since everyone else seems to be wearing their hearts on their sleeves about this.
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Vince Young=Steve McNair

VY was a better passer than Matt Jones last year, and has improved since then.

People don't realize that what makes VY great is his ability to read defenses.

And for God's sake, he's been doing this to defenses for a good year and a half, not just one game. This one game just got everyone else to notice him for the first time.
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This one game just got everyone else to notice him for the first time.
Yep he did the same thing against Ohio State and against Michigan last year.

I agree he does have more talent around him. But to me what makes him so great is how he preforms when the pocket clapses and his recievers are covered, that is when he squeeks through and breaks off a run for massive yardage. Plus the guy has proven on several occasions he performs well under pressure. You can't measure that at the combine.

Plus that fact that I have seen him directly hit on two occasions by future pro DBs (USC and Ohio state) and they just fell to the ground and he got the pass of for a completion. He is built like a Brick ****house, LOL
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Mortensen knows his stuff, but whoever he is paraphrasing for this draft discussion is an *****. Young does not equal Jones. VY will be a very good NFL QB and Jones will be a very good NFL WR.
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I think what mortenson is saying is that Young has the potential to be a good QB at the NFL level but he isn't a lock and he doesn't have elite arm strength like Vick or Mcnabb, nor does he have the speed of a Mcnabb or Vick.

I think he can be good in the NFL in the right system, I see him as a poor man's steve young where he can easily move around and escape the pocket but he will not have 200 yard rushing days in the NFL.

after that game this board got gay married to vince its disgusting.
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Vince Young=Steve McNair
Vince can't sniff being the kind of passer Steve was in college. I see no similarities. Steve could never run like Vince, and Vince could never throw like Steve.

Sorry, there's no similarities.
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McNabb is considered fast??? and that statement above could just about go to anyone comming from college including reggie bush...
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McNabb was fast. He just got old. That is why it is better in the long run to get an actual Quarterback than to get a Vick wannabe. If you want somebody to run the ball, you have runnningbacks. If you want somebody to throw the ball, you have quarterbacks.

Matt Jones had to be a WR in the NFL because he has a funky throwing motion, just like Young.
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McNabb was fast. He just got old. That is why it is better in the long run to get an actual Quarterback than to get a Vick wannabe. If you want somebody to run the ball, you have runnningbacks. If you want somebody to throw the ball, you have quarterbacks.

Matt Jones had to be a WR in the NFL because he has a funky throwing motion, just like Young.

no, Jones had to be a WR because he was a mediocre QB with a very weak arm and bad accuracy that lacked the ability to read defenses and was very mistake prone.


this is seriously grasping at such length that its ridiculous. Yes, theyre tall and fast, thats all they have in common. Jones was a so-so college player, Young is a 2x rosebowl mvp and heisman runner up.

when Matt Jones is half the football player vince is, then you can talk about comparisons.
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First of all if you're going to compare him to someone I'd say McNair is as close as it got from the college aspect.

As someone who is very familiar with the Old SWAC I got to see McNair play through college.

He ran shotgun pretty much the entire time as VY has and I think the same concerns of how he would handle going UNDER center apply here as well but McNair would be a good teacher for him. I think they have very different running styles. McNair scooted where it seems VY has such a long stride it looks like he's gliding. This is just comparing them in college though.
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Matt Jones had to be a WR in the NFL because he has a funky throwing motion, just like Young.
Did you ever see Matt Jones play QB for Akansas? Just wondering if you are saying that Matt Jones and VY throw the same from experience or something that you read.
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Vince can't sniff being the kind of passer Steve was in college. I see no similarities. Steve could never run like Vince, and Vince could never throw like Steve.

Sorry, there's no similarities.
McNair threw for 3,541 yards and 29 touchdowns, and 10 rushing scores his last year at Alcorn State. I'd bet Young could do the same if he played there too. Young never needed to throw the ball much when you have a 42-10 lead at halftime. I think McNair is an excellent comparison.
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Vince can't sniff being the kind of passer Steve was in college. I see no similarities. Steve could never run like Vince, and Vince could never throw like Steve.

Sorry, there's no similarities.
I see Young developing into a McNair style NFL QB.

If you compare college passing, you do know which QB played at a Div 1-AA school and which one won the Div 1-A Championship, right?
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If you are talking about Steve McNair, I thought he was a Heisman finalist. I didn't realize that Alcorn State ever won the National Championship.
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Vince can't sniff being the kind of passer Steve was in college. I see no similarities. Steve could never run like Vince, and Vince could never throw like Steve.

Sorry, there's no similarities.
McNair had over 1,600 passing attempts and only completed 55.5% of those against 1-AA competition.

To say Vince "could never throw like Steve" is a pretty short sighted viewpoint considering Vince has had games where he's completed well over 70% of his passes.
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Did you ever see Matt Jones play QB for Akansas? Just wondering if you are saying that Matt Jones and VY throw the same from experience or something that you read.
I watched a couple of their games.
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Dang, I didn't know Jones was the MVP in 2 consecutive Rose Bowls and
won the BCS championship for his team.
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To be fair to Jones, he didn't have the talent surrounding him that Vince Young has and he was in by far the hardest conference.
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What I like about Vince, is that the kid has got the confidence to lead any team, he has a calmness about him. The kid is a born leader, thats what this team needs leadership. Leadership that Carr does not and cannot provide.
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Johny Unitas had a funky throwing motion was he any good?
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