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Old 01-06-2006   #1
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I get so sick and tired of hearing all the excuses made for David Carr. The bottom line is, he is just as much as the problem as any coach or player on our team. The guys just does not have what it takes to be an NFL franchise QB. He has a poor attitude (throwing helmets and fits), lacks leadership ability, and I'm not sure he has the respect of his teammates.

Every year it's the same thing. "He has no offensive line". "He needs more talent around him". Give me a break people. First of all, AJ and DD are both top 10 players in their respective postions. How many other teams can say that? And our Oline is NOT that bad. They are not a top flight unit by any stretch, but alot of the sacks Carr takes are his own fault. He takes way too long to get rid of the ball, and in many cases makes his first read and takes off with happy feet if it's not there. Sure, blaming the Oline is the easy way to cop out the QB.

He has now been a STARTER for 4 years! 4 YEARS! And has shown NO improvement. In fact, this year he was plain awful. How long are we going to give this guy to start producing?

Look at Carson Palmer and Eli Manning. In his 2ND YEAR as a starter Palmer is one of the NFLs premier QBs and lead his team to the playoffs for the first time in over 10 years. The Bengals were the laughing stock of the NFL just couple of years ago if you remember. They were probably even worse than the Texans. Eli Manning has also taken giant steps forward and led his team to the playoffs after not even a full year of being a starter.

The point is, it should not take 4+ years for this guy to finally come around. Either you have it or you don't. And I'm sorry, but Carr doesn't have it. I don't know if the Texans are ashamed to admit they messed up with their first ever pick or what, but they need to get off the love affair with this guy. He will never be anything but an average QB AT BEST.

And no this is NOT a Vince Young endorsment, BUT if he does enter the draft. You have to look very hard to taking Vince. I guarantee you we would win more games with Vince at QB as a rookie than we would with Carr next year.
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I'm sorry, but he STILL doesn't have an O-line. Furthermore, DD WOULD be a top 10 if he could learn to block somebody on pass plays, but it ain't gonna happen. You can't blame Carr until you can't say our line totally sucks anymore. Get it?
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I have been very critical of Carr on this board, but we are now rebuilding the team. As long as we get Carr back at a renegotiated rate then I am happy and look forward to the change in the staff, Oline and Defense. I think the QB position is over rated and think he will fit nicely in the right scheme with the right coach at the right price tag.
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Yeah, or maybe he just sucks. Who can flippin' tell?
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I have been very critical of Carr on this board, but we are now rebuilding the team. As long as we get Carr back at a renegotiated rate then I am happy and look forward to the change in the staff, Oline and Defense. I think the QB position is over rated and think he will fit nicely in the right scheme with the right coach at the right price tag.
Carr has no reason to take less. If we extend him we are going to pay Franchise $$$
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Yeah, or maybe he just sucks. Who can flippin' tell?
Who can tell? Just watch a Texans game. It doesn't take that long to figure out the QB isn't good.
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Who can tell? Just watch a Texans game. It doesn't take that long to figure out the QB isn't good.
Yeah, but it takes several seconds less time to figure out that those 2 DLs and that LB in the back-field didn't get blocked, about a half second more to see that DD jumped out of their way, and then a few more seconds to watch Carr throw as he's hit, and then a few more to watch Bradford drop it, lol.
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What other QB in the league would find success behind this line and offense?

While I think Carr has some troubling tendencies that have not been corrected since year 1, I also feel he's got the potential to be a servicable QB given the opportunity.

Signing a rookie QB - either Young or Leinart - and putting him behind our current 2-14 Texans offense will result in another run at the season sack total, IMO. NOBODY, not even Michael Vick reincarnate, would look good behind the 2005 Texans.

That being said, do we beef up the offensive line, add some weapons, and start a rookie QB under a first year coach? That seems a bit over-acheiving, to be honest.

A valid case can be made for either side - keeping him vs. letting him go. The question is what do we get with each scenario. If you keep him, which I believe will happen, and get Bush, you get an offensive weapon that can line up in many different positions. Add in AJ, DD, and consistent pass protection, and things could start to turn around. On the other hand, just adding Young, without addressing a need for a solid #2 receiving threat, will still make us one dimensional. We'd still have to add another playmaker to take away the double team on AJ.

Either way, o-line is the top priority after the no. 1 pick is resolved. Without improving it, nothing positive will happen on our offense.
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Screw it. Let's start flipping coins. Which heads do you want?
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Carr has no reason to take less. If we extend him we are going to pay Franchise $$$
Do not exercise the option and cut him with the intention of resigning him at a new rate. If VY declares this should be a no brainer for us to leverage. We have the good/bad cop in place with Reeves and Cass. McNair could be the guy that settles this dispute as he seems to have a great relationship with DC. We had a deal in place with DC well before the draft, there is no reason why we can't have this played out before the dates for resigning/restructuring and declaring.
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Do not exercise the option and cut him with the intention of resigning him at a new rate. If VY declares this should be a no brainer for us to leverage. We have the good/bad cop in place with Reeves and Cass. McNair could be the guy that settles this dispute as he seems to have a great relationship with DC. We had a deal in place with DC well before the draft, there is no reason why we can't have this played out before the dates for resigning/restructuring and declaring.
That'll work. Only problem is I'm David Carr and I'm reading it, lol.

Just kidding, of course.
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Do not exercise the option and cut him with the intention of resigning him at a new rate. If VY declares this should be a no brainer for us to leverage. We have the good/bad cop in place with Reeves and Cass. McNair could be the guy that settles this dispute as he seems to have a great relationship with DC. We had a deal in place with DC well before the draft, there is no reason why we can't have this played out before the dates for resigning/restructuring and declaring.
Why would Carr forget about the other 31 teams when he gets cut? I'm sure he has an agent that fancies himself as a professional negotiator...he's bringing in Bill Parcells right off the bat. If we extend him we will pay him. If we cut him he's not going to sign here for less money.
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Why would Carr forget about the other 31 teams when he gets cut? I'm sure he has an agent that fancies himself as a professional negotiator...he's bringing in Bill Parcells right off the bat. If we extend him we will pay him. If we cut him he's not going to sign here for less money.
yeah, I think DC will be a black and white issue. I doubt he takes less money when he could find another taker somewhere else.

I doubt there is any loyalty involved, either. After 200+ sacks in 4 seasons, I'd take the money and run if it was me.

Be kinda' funny if he ended up in Dallas, 'eh?
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I get so sick and tired of hearing all the excuses made for David Carr. The bottom line is, he is just as much as the problem as any coach or player on our team. The guys just does not have what it takes to be an NFL franchise QB. He has a poor attitude (throwing helmets and fits), lacks leadership ability, and I'm not sure he has the respect of his teammates.

Every year it's the same thing. "He has no offensive line". "He needs more talent around him". Give me a break people. First of all, AJ and DD are both top 10 players in their respective postions. How many other teams can say that? And our Oline is NOT that bad. They are not a top flight unit by any stretch, but alot of the sacks Carr takes are his own fault. He takes way too long to get rid of the ball, and in many cases makes his first read and takes off with happy feet if it's not there. Sure, blaming the Oline is the easy way to cop out the QB.

He has now been a STARTER for 4 years! 4 YEARS! And has shown NO improvement. In fact, this year he was plain awful. How long are we going to give this guy to start producing?

Look at Carson Palmer and Eli Manning. In his 2ND YEAR as a starter Palmer is one of the NFLs premier QBs and lead his team to the playoffs for the first time in over 10 years. The Bengals were the laughing stock of the NFL just couple of years ago if you remember. They were probably even worse than the Texans. Eli Manning has also taken giant steps forward and led his team to the playoffs after not even a full year of being a starter.

The point is, it should not take 4+ years for this guy to finally come around. Either you have it or you don't. And I'm sorry, but Carr doesn't have it. I don't know if the Texans are ashamed to admit they messed up with their first ever pick or what, but they need to get off the love affair with this guy. He will never be anything but an average QB AT BEST.

And no this is NOT a Vince Young endorsment, BUT if he does enter the draft. You have to look very hard to taking Vince. I guarantee you we would win more games with Vince at QB as a rookie than we would with Carr next year.

Hey is this WONGER? Muahuahuahaaa~ Draft Vince Young Texnas and let Mr. Carr go... FREE DAVID CARR!
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Why would Carr forget about the other 31 teams when he gets cut? I'm sure he has an agent that fancies himself as a professional negotiator...he's bringing in Bill Parcells right off the bat. If we extend him we will pay him. If we cut him he's not going to sign here for less money.
That is why you inlcude performance bonuses that would get him to those numbers in the current contract.
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Well is this considered virtual competition ? If David thought this is his town and he's the star ... he may want to reconsider .

I say let the new coach decide if Carr's the real deal . You know CC is going to endorse him , Bob thinks he's a good guy , Reeves ? , new coach hurry before the 15th .
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I like Carr as a person...nice guy, active in church, good dad....but I'm sorry, as a QB, second rate at best...Maybe he still has alot to learn, or maybe he just needs to go to Payton Mannings QB camp for youngsters....only time will tell, but i do know this. His contract NEEDS to be performance based. That would not only be a great incentive to play better, but might save us some money...
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Yeah, but it takes several seconds less time to figure out that those 2 DLs and that LB in the back-field didn't get blocked, about a half second more to see that DD jumped out of their way, and then a few more seconds to watch Carr throw as he's hit, and then a few more to watch Bradford drop it, lol.

How many times do people have to see this happen .... Sooner or later someone has to take responsibility ..... an O-lineman maybe , how about the RB who failed to pick up the blitz (not always his fualt since he is asked to be the check down option) .... possibly the pathetic excuse for an NFL reciever .... Guess they forgot to put the STICKUM on their hands ? :brickwall
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I'm confused.

Casserly and McNair have both said David will get his bonus. I'm positive Casserly said it because I heard it and I read McNair said the same thing on here.

Ok so if they are doing that doesn't that pretty much seal the deal that David will be the QB for now and the forseeable future?
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I'm confused.

Casserly and McNair have both said David will get his bonus. I'm positive Casserly said it because I heard it and I read McNair said the same thing on here.

Ok so if they are doing that doesn't that pretty much seal the deal that David will be the QB for now and the forseeable future?
Yeah, they said it. But if they were already 100% convinced they were going to do this, don't you think they would have done it? There is nothing to stop them from making the move right now, at least I don't think there is a restriction from doing it too early.
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