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Old 01-06-2006   #1
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Does it make me a bad fan because I don't want either Reggie Bush or Vince Young? Am I the only person in Houston who doesn't see either of these players helping us in the long run (including cap hits and future free agent talent)? I think those of us who want to trade the pick are definately in the minority. Surely, if you are there, please speak up.
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No it doesn't mean you are a bad fan. Right now there are 3 camps of fans of the Texans. You have the Vince people, the Reggie people, and the trade down people. All have the same goal of making the team better, but each group has a different way to achieve it.
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Of course not. That's really the nice thing about this draft - this year. Our team has options. Some drafts are much more top-talent poor.
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Does it make me a bad fan because I don't want either Reggie Bush or Vince Young? Am I the only person in Houston who doesn't see either of these players helping us in the long run (including cap hits and future free agent talent)? I think those of us who want to trade the pick are definately in the minority. Surely, if you are there, please speak up.

You're not a bad fan. Honestly I find it hard to concure with you about neither of these players helping us in the long run but the fact that I disagree with you doesn't make you a bad fan. Whether we have a need in their particular areas (QB, RB) can be debated and whether they would upgrade the position enough to pick one first overall can also be argued. They are both however the kind of players that could help any team and I think they would help the Texans.

You and I want the same thing. We want a better Texans team. We just have different ideas on how to get there. If we trade down then I hope that works. I'll be on your side the second they trade that pick and I expect the people who don't want Reggie Bush (I'm in the Bush camp) to rally around him the moment his name is called if that ends up happening.

We're going to the same place. You're not a bad fan. You're a Texan fan and they don't get much better than that.

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It's good to hear support around here rather than arguement. Thanks guys.
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Does it make me a bad fan because I don't want either Reggie Bush or Vince Young? Am I the only person in Houston who doesn't see either of these players helping us in the long run (including cap hits and future free agent talent)? I think those of us who want to trade the pick are definately in the minority. Surely, if you are there, please speak up.
Your on the forums for a team that just went 2-14. There really are no bad fans here.

He this is the way I look at it. As long as your focus is on the success of the team, then you are a good fan. It is a given that people are going the disagree. If you were only pulling for Reggie and it was all about him and his career etc then I would say you are a good Reggie Bush fan but not a good Texans fan. I am a Texans fan, if we don't get a player, I may root for him but I am a fan of this team and that comes first.

You know what is crazy? Is that picking reggie, picking young or trading down may ALL lead to us being a great team. Who knows what the future holds.
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Dont listen to these other guys, your a BAD fan! you should be ashamed of yourself.
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I'll be on your side the second they trade that pick and I expect the people who don't want Reggie Bush (I'm in the Bush camp) to rally around him the moment his name is called if that ends up happening.
The moment the commish calls the name of the guy we draft, I will be a fan of his and hope he works out. Regardless of who it is.
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The moment the commish calls the name of the guy we draft, I will be a fan of his and hope he works out. Regardless of who it is.

or "they" work out... (for the trade down camp)
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No im with ya on the trade down wagon. But the talking heads on ESPN did make a fairly inticing arguement about Bush and the packages that he will allow you to use with his versatility.
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Does it make me a bad fan because I don't want either Reggie Bush or Vince Young? Am I the only person in Houston who doesn't see either of these players helping us in the long run (including cap hits and future free agent talent)? I think those of us who want to trade the pick are definately in the minority. Surely, if you are there, please speak up.
Not at all. We all want the same thing and thats a successful Texans team. We all have an opinion about the best way to achieve - just as Saunders, Kubiak or Linehan would have.
We dont all agree on whether Carr is the QB for this franchise - I think he is but I want to see him behind a decent O line. If he doesn't perform then I'll hold my hands up and say I got it wrong.
My view of the draft - any draft - is you take the best available player, if thats Bush thats Bush. If we trade down philosophy is still the same.
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The beautiful thing here is, I think I like all the different options we have in this draft.

I like VY, I like Bush, and I like trading for more picks. Of coarse, I seem to be changing my mind about which one I like the most from day to day! But, all three are good options.

I will say this, I feel sorry for VY if he comes out and he ends up going to the Saints. If you think we have problems, take a look at the Saints. No home field, crappy ownership, a mad fan base, a history of losing, and HC position that I doubt anyone wants. Yikes!
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Does it make me a bad fan because I don't want either Reggie Bush or Vince Young? Am I the only person in Houston who doesn't see either of these players helping us in the long run (including cap hits and future free agent talent)? I think those of us who want to trade the pick are definately in the minority. Surely, if you are there, please speak up.
You are not a bad fan at all if that is your feeling and you think the Texans should go in a direction you like. I think yesterday people got frustrated at the sudden bandwagon mentality that seemed to appear overnight. But fans should question what the team is doing when they are 2-14.
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OK, I'm for trading down, but I don't think the Young people are bandwagoners either. The guy had a monster bowl game AGAIN. Combine that with the fact that Bush didn't look like Superman, although he did his part, and I can see why people want him. Shoot, I'd take him right now if trading down was not an option.

The guy had 400 all-purpose yards to win the National Championship. That doesn't just happen out of luck or having a good day.
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No it doesn't mean you are a bad fan. Right now there are 3 camps of fans of the Texans. You have the Vince people, the Reggie people, and the trade down people. All have the same goal of making the team better, but each group has a different way to achieve it.
...I'm in the 4th camp - bringing in a quality coach and assistants, then work on the front office. Mainly because like what's mentioned above, this camp also believes whomever is picked will help our team. (Assuming Casserly won't trade 3 picks for a field goal kicker.)
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Wharton, I think you're a BAD fan!

Just like I think McNair and Casserly are BAD fans, because I truly believe they feel the same way you do.

OH BTW . . . I'm a BAD fan, too!
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The beautiful thing here is, I think I like all the different options we have in this draft.

I like VY, I like Bush, and I like trading for more picks. Of coarse, I seem to be changing my mind about which one I like the most from day to day! But, all three are good options.

I will say this, I feel sorry for VY if he comes out and he ends up going to the Saints. If you think we have problems, take a look at the Saints. No home field, crappy ownership, a mad fan base, a history of losing, and HC position that I doubt anyone wants. Yikes!
My thoughts exactly! In any given hour - I can change my mind three or four times. As for anyone - VY or Leinert or Bush going to the Saints? They have my sympathy as that won't be an easy road.
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Does it make me a bad fan because I don't want either Reggie Bush or Vince Young? Am I the only person in Houston who doesn't see either of these players helping us in the long run (including cap hits and future free agent talent)? I think those of us who want to trade the pick are definately in the minority. Surely, if you are there, please speak up.
No you are not a bad fan. But you may be a novice of the board because there are opinions on umpteen scenarios. Check out the NFL Draft 2006 forum as well.
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Well, coming from the FEMALE side of the debate, I think you are a very intelligent fan! I've never been sold on the idea of ONE particular player making or breaking a team. All the GREAT, HOF players out there, had a fantastic supporting cast. VY romped around like a one man wreaking ball, that won't happen in the NFL. RB slips and slids, does somersaults, and tries all kind of cutsie little moves, that will haunt him in the NFL, won't work. Yes, I agree that both have special talents, BUT, they would NEVER be able to demonstrate those talents without great football players on both sides of the ball. Not enough credit has been given to the supporting players, IMHO!

Personally, I don't think CC FIRST draft picks have been all that bad. David needs HELP, Dunte and AJ are fantastic, and TJ will be fine after he learns the NFL ropes. I have to believe the next first pick will be as talented as these four fine young men, and will work hard to become part of our young TEXAN team! I really don't care who that is!! There's always that "diamond in the ruff," and first round picks can always end up a bust. It's a gamble, anyway you look at it.
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Does it make me a bad fan because I don't want either Reggie Bush or Vince Young? Am I the only person in Houston who doesn't see either of these players helping us in the long run (including cap hits and future free agent talent)? I think those of us who want to trade the pick are definately in the minority. Surely, if you are there, please speak up.
As has already been said, I agree that you're not a bad fan (unless you wore a bag on your head to a game ).

I'm actually in a forth group of undecided voters. I can see valid points in every position, and there are great cases to be made. If you held my feet to the fire right now, I'd probably lean a little towards Reggie Bush. I mean the Next.Gale.Sayers?! How can you not be impressed with that?!

But given the opportunity to make a mega-deal - ie. a team makes an offer than can't be refused...say their first two picks for 2006 & 2007 - I'd seriously consider that option, as well.

But whatever decision Mr. McNair makes with regards to our future HC, as well as draft picks, will be 100% supported by me. Simply because it means progress and distance away from the dismal 2-14 season. And we can't steer the bus, so might as well enjoy the ride!
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