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Old 01-05-2006   #1
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If Kubiak is hired as the Texans next HC, the Texans will not draft Vince Young. Kubiak was very high on Carr coming out of the draft, he worked with him over a summer (Kubiak is friends with Jeff Tedford - Cal head coach and QB coach for Carr at Fresno State).

I do not know the direction Kubiak will take the pick, it depends on his assessment of the Texans current talent and greatest area of need. Most likely he will go with the safe pick of Reggie Bush, as this is what Casserly wants.

Kubiak=Carr, to which I am not opposed. I think David would fit very nicely into the West Coast offense run by Denver, he is Jake Plummer with a better arm and a brain (although this is somewhat questionable).

I do think DD may be in a little bit of trouble, mainly because of Reggie Bush's running style. Most scouts would say that DD, Bush, and Morency have similar styles. Obviously with Bush being drafted, and the need to keep Wells size and special teams play, Morency or DD. I do not think we can get much value for DD, but could unload the contract. This may not happen, but one of the running backs will have too go. It could be Wells as is an UFA, but Denver has always favored having a change of pace power back to compliment the speed rushers.
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If Kubiak is hired as the Texans next HC, the Texans will not draft Vince Young. Kubiak was very high on Carr coming out of the draft, he worked with him over a summer (Kubiak is friends with Jeff Tedford - Cal head coach and QB coach for Carr at Fresno State).

I do not know the direction Kubiak will take the pick, it depends on his assessment of the Texans current talent and greatest area of need. Most likely he will go with the safe pick of Reggie Bush, as this is what Casserly wants.

Kubiak=Carr, to which I am not opposed. I think David would fit very nicely into the West Coast offense run by Denver, he is Jake Plummer with a better arm and a brain (although this is somewhat questionable).

I do think DD may be in a little bit of trouble, mainly because of Reggie Bush's running style. Most scouts would say that DD, Bush, and Morency have similar styles. Obviously with Bush being drafted, and the need to keep Wells size and special teams play, Morency or DD. I do not think we can get much value for DD, but could unload the contract. This may not happen, but one of the running backs will have too go. It could be Wells as is an UFA, but Denver has always favored having a change of pace power back to compliment the speed rushers.
From what I hear, (reading as much stuff on the web as possible) Casserly and Company were very high on Reggie Bush as the #1 pick, that is when Vince Young was a Junior who wasn't planning on coming out and wasn't a local legend and national superstar, that he made himself yesterday.

Also from what I hear, they are going to decide on the first pick before they hire the coach. Or at least make sure the new coach is on board with their decisions.

I love Reggie Bush and think he is probably the way to go. But the other part of me thinks it is crazy to pass on Vince Young. A Super star QB is much harder to find than a quality RB. Plus a QB gets a lot more touches and has a bigger impact on the game. Either way we better beef up our O-line situation with some of those other picks.

Either way has it's risks.
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Well tomorrow McNair meets with Kubiak. Kubiak may recommend that the Texans pick Reggie over Vince because David fits his style more than Vince.
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I wonder what Dan Reeves thinks of Vince Young as a #1 draft prospect.
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Well tomorrow McNair meets with Kubiak. Kubiak may recommend that the Texans pick Reggie over Vince because David fits his style more than Vince.
maybe Gary will not have a choice
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If we hire Kubiak as our next HC I think I would almost prefer to retain Carr and see what Kubiak and staff can do with him. And if Vince doesn't declare the choice is made for us.
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And if Vince doesn't declare the choice is made for us.
But the chance of that happening is dwindling fast. I think Mack Brown is actually going to change from his usual course and not try to convince Vince to stay at Texas.
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But the chance of that happening is dwindling fast. I think Mack Brown is actually going to change from his usual course and not try to convince Vince to stay at Texas.
I honestly do not see how Vince can stay another year and risk injury or a bad season after this past season and last night.
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maybe Gary will not have a choice


I hope that doesn't end up being the case. Anyone else in here care to watch another head coach get force fed something he doesn't like? You guys know how well that worked out last time with Capers.

"Dom, meet Chris. Chris, this is Dom. You'll be working for him"

The new HC needs to be onboard with the program before there even IS a program. If they go looking for someone to come in and say "Yeah, I can do that. I can work with those guys. They'll be fine" then they're going to hire a loser.
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How did Reeves deal with Vick (a scrambling QB)? Did he like it or was he frustrated with him all the time? I don't remember. I think this fact will have a lot to do with Reeves' recommendation to McNair.
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A coach is going to want his guys. If Gary Kubiak believes that he can have the best chance of winning with David Carr as his QB and Reggie Bush on the team and McNair wants Kubiak then we are probably going to draft Reggie. I don't think McNair is going to say "I don't care who you want we are picking Vince Young" because if he did, then Kubiak would probably say thanks but no thanks.
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How did Reeves deal with Vick (a scrambling QB)? Did he like it or was he frustrated with him all the time? I don't remember. I think this fact will have a lot to do with Reeves' recommendation to McNair.

If I remember correctly, Reeves did have some trouble with him because Michael isn't one of the sharpest knives in the drawer.
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Michael isn't one of the sharpest knives in the drawer.
Michael is a knife? I always thought he was more of a spoon, or maybe a "spork"

His choice of an alias backs up your statement. Anyone who could come up with "Ron, Ron Mexico" is either slow on the draw or in the business of naming porn stars.
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If I remember correctly, Reeves did have some trouble with him because Michael isn't one of the sharpest knives in the drawer.
But did he get frustrated with him not staying in the pocket? No matter who Young plays for he is going to tuck and run a little more than he should. All rookies who are scramblers do. All pocket passing rookie QBs throw the ball when they shouldn't and cause INTs. Does anyone know which Reeves prefers to deal with?
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Young just needs to get on a team who runs the read play and is in shootgun 90% of the time.
You know that is a very good point. Many QBs struggle when they come to the NFL and have to learn how to be a QB from under center.
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You know that is a very good point. Many QBs struggle when they come to the NFL and have to learn how to be a QB from under center.
I read in another thread last night but I have also heard Bill Parcells talk about how QB's have trouble reading defenses in the shotgun which is why Bledsoe is almost never in shotgun formation...
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Just me but it seems like being in the shotgun would be easier since it would give a better view of the entire defense. But I never played so that's just my theory.
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If we get Kubiak and he stops us from getting Young, that's just perfectly fine with me (I'd rather trade down anyway), but I will be dissappointed if this team takes Bush with the #1 pick (at least until he proves me wrong). Regardless, I have decided that I want Kubiak and I'm willing to put up with that, especially since Bush could very well prove me wrong in the first place. I really worry about him running between the tackles. I didn't see him do it and that was not an NFL defense. It's almost more a question of whether or not he will than whether or not he can. Bounce outside, bounce outside, that's all I saw. Go up to the line, stop, bounce outside. Watching him was very frustrating to me because I just didn't get to see what I was looking for. He had some success, but it was always getting outside.
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I think David would fit very nicely into the West Coast offense run by Denver, he is Jake Plummer with a better arm and a brain (although this is somewhat questionable).

Very nice post except I think Carr has rocks for brains and that is his downfall.
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Very nice post except I think Carr has rocks for brains and that is his downfall.
If he is that stupid, it's because this organization has allowed his brains to be beaten in. I also think that, while the QB may need to be the smartest player, it is not necessary to be a PH.D.
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