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Old 01-05-2006   #1
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David Carr is not the problem for the Texans. Drafting Vince Young will not make us better. Heck, drafting Bush won't make us a whole lot better. We need a lot of help on this team, but QB is not one of them.

Carr has had a cruddy O-line all 4 seasons. If we drafted Young, and we had this same O-line, he'd run around the whole time and sooner or later he's going to take a big hit and get hurt. We need at least 2 good offensive lineman. We need a tight end and a 2nd wide reciever (Reggie Wayne anyone? He's a FA). We need DD to stay healthy and let him be a 1300 yard RB. We need more weapons on this offense and we need to let Carr do what he does best. He's not a scrambler, let him be a pocket QB who can look at the field and watch the play develop. Vince Young is not our answer.
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OPEN YOUR FRIGGIN EYES. All of the commentators are saying that VY had the GREATEST GAME of all time. Yeah we should stick with David frickin Carr instead. Having VY who is a Houstonian and a Texas legend would energize this city like nothing before. We should by all means stick behind a bust. Laughable man.
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OPEN YOUR FRIGGIN EYES. All of the commentators are saying that VY had the GREATEST GAME of all time. Yeah we should stick with David frickin Carr instead. Having VY who is a Houstonian and a Texas legend would energize this city like nothing before. We should by all means stick behind a bust. Laughable man.
But will you explain to me why you think Vince Young will make the Texans better? Because he can scramble? Yipee. He had arguably the greatest COLLEGE game of all time. Last I checked, the Texans were in the NFL. There's no sure bet than Vince Young will succeed in the NFL.
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but reggie bush has a good season and suddenly he is the next barry sanders?? I bet the same people putting vince young down now were the same people fueling the reggie bush hype machine before this game. Leaders step up, frauds are exposed....reggie is NOT worthy of our #1 pick
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but reggie bush has a good season and suddenly he is the next barry sanders?? I bet the same people putting vince young down now were the same people fueling the reggie bush hype machine before this game. Leaders step up, frauds are exposed....reggie is NOT worthy of our #1 pick
Reggie may not be worth our #1 pick. But neither is Vince Young. Let the Saints take Young. Let the Titans take him. Let the Jets take him. Let the Texans take someone who can help us. AJ Hawk. D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Not Young.
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VY played great football tonight, no doubt. But let's not forget that he's had well below average days as well. He plays big in big games, which is a definite plus, but I also remember watching lackluster performances from him on several occasions even against poor defenses (ie. the UT-A&M game this year). At this point, it's very possible he'll be a better pro than Carr, but I'll tell you this: if we'd had Young instead of Carr these first four years, we wouldn't have been much better. We need to address the O-Line this offseason before this team can truly progress. That doesn't necessarily mean using the first choice on an OLineman, but it needs to be addressed now. It doesn't matter who you put behind center, they'll be destined to fail unless we give them some protection.
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Well I do hope that Young does not go to the Titans. That would be a nightmare both on the field and regarding PR. Hopefully the Saints get him.
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Open your freaking eyes, he had 6 yards per pass, he can not read a Defense
Young threw the ball 40 times (30 completions for 267) and ran it 20 times for a combined 467 yards. I think he did pretty well reading him some D.
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VY played great football tonight, no doubt. But let's not forget that he's had well below average days as well. He plays big in big games, which is a definite plus, but I also remember watching lackluster performances from him on several occasions even against poor defenses (ie. the UT-A&M game this year). At this point, it's very possible he'll be a better pro than Carr, but I'll tell you this: if we'd had Young instead of Carr these first four years, we wouldn't have been much better. We need to address the O-Line this offseason before this team can truly progress. That doesn't necessarily mean using the first choice on an OLineman, but it needs to be addressed now. It doesn't matter who you put behind center, they'll be destined to fail unless we give them some protection.
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Young changes the way defenses have to deal with him. If you spy him you have to take someone out of coverage or the rush...the man has to come from somewhere, you can't just throw 12 guys out there to stop him. He continually made them pay for blitzing with his accurate passing finding the open man.
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everyone who is opposed to both young and bush or pretty much drafting anyone or anything at all, college and the NFL are different levels. look at alex smith at SF. great QB in college, bad rookie season, but he still has time before people start saying "you suck".

if not having a better QB, offense, defense, coach, mascot, whatever, will benefit a program that is falling apart, then what will? choosing to just sit around and let the same crap happen over and over, 2-3 seasons later, carr is still the same level of performance, maybe he'll find one non-losing season, but not until we get a better oline. but apparently, people are opposed to that too. so, lets just give the colts our draft pick, so that the league can disown the franchise, then houston can say, "we want a football team", then the league'll say, we'll you've had two failing franchises in a row, although the oilers had their prime.

doesn't sound appealing, i just hope they pick something beneficial for the organization, and better coaches too.
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OPEN YOUR FRIGGIN EYES. All of the commentators are saying that VY had the GREATEST GAME of all time. Yeah we should stick with David frickin Carr instead. Having VY who is a Houstonian and a Texas legend would energize this city like nothing before. We should by all means stick behind a bust. Laughable man.
What does him being a Houstonian have to do with football?

VY needs 1 more year as a collegiate athlete. He will learn more at UT than he will running the Texans offense and spending his time being sacked 77 times with the Texans. He'll stay at UT just out of self preservation.

By the way those same commentators said Reggie was superman yesterday!!
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I bet 6 yds per pass is better than Carr's 5.88 ypa this year . I also noticed Vince's team will give 110 % for their leader . Seems like a distant concept .
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I bet 6 yds per pass is better than Carr's 5.88 ypa this year .
Yes, but Vince Young is in college...
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You can't blame Young for taking what USC gave him, he played a great game. No reason really to belittle it. As far as the next level however, which is all I care about, does he have the ability to make the hard out throw, the long pass over the middle to a WR in stride, and how poised will he be when defenses contain him like they do Vick?
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the Best part of the VY performance.............he just made the third pick in the draft as valuable as the first.............I know at three we will be getting a stud.............you guys know you need D'Brick in the worst way............but will the FO have the balls to do it? I hope you do know RBush had an off game.................he had 275 yds of total O..............how good do you have to be to be able to call 275 of total O bad??????
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Having a great performance by Young and good performace by Bush puts us in the sweetest position possible if Young and Bush declare for the draft. I can't see Young staying because there is nowhere else to go and his stock rose tonight. We have the chance to trade down and still get either.
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Reggie may not be worth our #1 pick. But neither is Vince Young. Let the Saints take Young. Let the Titans take him. Let the Jets take him. Let the Texans take someone who can help us. AJ Hawk. D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Not Young.
Will all the respect in the world, you are sooo pathetic. Help us? Take someone who can help us? The person who could help us is this phenom QB who people have been raving about since he was in high school, apparently. It's not a matter of one game, or one season. It's magic, it's history, it's Earl Campbell falling right into our hands, again.
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We already have Earl Campbell falling right into our hands with Reggie Bush.
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"I went through all my progressions," Young said, "so I just took off with it."
Going through progressions? What does that mean..? I don't think our offense does anything like that.

Vince ran because he could. Because he knows that he has the ability and will power to put it in the end zone one way or another. Carr runs because he panics, Young never looked worried or like things were beyond his control.

Edit - I just want to add this. Didn't Casserly have some sort of mancrush on Vick and wanted him to stay in school so we could take him #1 overall? If he drafts Young, he gets his Vick and the locals proclaim CC a hero (after trying to take a dump on him just a few days ago).

(Let me say that the goal of this isn't to compare the two but the similarities ARE there.)
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