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Old 01-03-2006   #1
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"Market support: The Houston Texans have the first pick in the NFL draft and are expected to use it on Bush if he goes pro. That's good for him because it could have been New Orleans, which isn't exactly a launching pad right now for individual marketing potential. In Houston, Bush would have America's fourth-largest city as his playground. He's already being mentioned in the same breath by fans there as city sports legends Hakeem Olajuwon and Earl Campbell. "
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He's already being mentioned in the same breath by fans there as city sports legends Hakeem Olajuwon and Earl Campbell."
that's just wrong that people would compare a kid who hasnt even declared yet to what those two did for this city.
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I'm glad Houston would be a good launching pad for Reggie Bush's endorsement career, I think we should get him on that principle alone
Let's concentrate on reasons for/against getting him that pertain to football and our team.
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I'm glad Houston would be a good launching pad for Reggie Bush's endorsement career, I think we should get him on that principle alone
Let's concentrate on reasons for/against getting him that pertain to football and our team.
whether you like it or not its all about buisness, Reggie has just as much right to be a smart buisness man as does Bob McNair. Do I like it? no. but its the reality of professional sports today.

bottom line: a Bush on the filed = more butt in the seats
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whether you like it or not its all about buisness, Reggie has just as much right to be a smart buisness man as does Bob McNair. Do I like it? no. but its the reality of professional sports today.

bottom line: a Bush on the filed = more butt in the seats

Exactly. Bob McNair will draft Reggie Bush for the same reason why Les Alexander drafted Yao Ming (wait didn't we already have Kelvin Cato?). Both are marketing gold mines who have the potential to be great players. Bush will bring more people to the stadium, which means more concessions sold, more merchandise sold nationwide, and more national exposure.
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Exactly. Bob McNair will draft Reggie Bush for the same reason why Les Alexander drafted Yao Ming (wait didn't we already have Kelvin Cato?). Both are marketing gold mines who have the potential to be great players. Bush will bring more people to the stadium, which means more concessions sold, more merchandise sold nationwide, and more national exposure.
I know you didn't just say the Rockets should have passed on Yao because they had Kelvin Cato. I could go lace up my shoes now and beat Kelvin Cato quite handily, he was never a starting-quality center. I understand the point you're trying to make, but a Kelvin Cato vs. Yao analogy isn't a great one. We don't need to draft Bush to fill the seats, last time I called we have about a 9 year waiting list for season tickets, so there are obviously people still interested in going to games, and once they see that we are improving the team (bringing in a new coaching staff is a big key) they will come back, and drafting Bush is not the only way to show improvement. In my eyes and the eyes of many others, the management growing some balls and trading the pick away and acquiring 4-5 good draft picks and/or veteran players to improve the team would show a bigger sign of football wisdom and impending improvement than succumbing to the media and going with the glamorous pick of Reggie Bush.
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Kelvin Cato was a serviceable center who had a big salary (sounds familiar). He wasn't great, but he wasn't pathetic (at least when Van Gundy came). Yao Ming on the other hand was a superstar the moment he stepped foot on the court and his upside was much higher than the upside of Cato's (again sounds familiar). The Texans are selling out every game still, but people are not going to the games. That is a big difference. Because when people don't go to games they don't buy merchandise and those great over priced beers.
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People stopped going to games towards the end of this year after they had already bought season tickets, no one in their right mind is going to spend thousands of dollars on season tickets next year with the intention of not going to a game just because we didn't draft Reggie Bush, and when those people don't renew their season tickets, thousands of other people will step in and gladly take those seats, unfortunately I'm too far down the list to get in next year for a PSL or season tickets. Domanick Davis is so much better on the football field than Kelvin Cato was on the basketball court, not to mention the rest of the draft that year was very shallow (#2 Jay Williams, #3 Mike Dunleavy, #4 Drew Gooden, #5 Nikoloz Tskitishvili, #6 Dajuan Wagner, #7 Nene Hilario, #8 Chris Wilcox, #9 Amare Stoudemire, #10 Caron Butler). Who else was even challenging Yao for the #1 pick? That year a ton of high schoolers declared too and were all high on the potential factor, but it was the year after Kwame Brown (#1), Tyson Chandler (#2), and Eddy Curry (#4) all jumped out of high school and hadn't turned into much, so Amare was the only guy that made it that year. I'm sure the Rockets would have rather taken Amare Stoudemire (#9 pick) than Yao though.

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That is true, but probably just from those games at the end of the season, McNair lost millions of dollars that they would have received if they had a full house.
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Tulexan did not just say that Kelvin Cato was a serviceable center, Cato is a bench player 7th man at least. He is about to get shipped now because he cannot produce. Does it sound familiar yeah, to Corey Bradford, but DD produces, and has produced for 2 and 1/2 years.
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Kelvin Cato was actually a good center when Van Gundy was the coach. He wasn't an offensive player, but turned out to be a pretty good defensive player. Most centers around the league have very little production. Only the Superstar centers are the ones that will consistently put up at least 15 points and 8 or 9 rebounds.
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I also added an edit to my previous one that Yao was the only choice for #1 that year, the only other good player taken in the top 10 was Amare Stoudemire at #9, and other than those two I don't see anyone else taken in the 1st round that year as ever making an All-Star game. Amare wasn't seen as being on the same level of Yao at that time, but I'm pretty sure any team in the league would prefer to have Amare over Yao now, so the sure #1 pick isn't always the best option. China had also only cleared Yao to play in Houston, so if he didn't get picked up here he wouldn't have been allowed to leave, so that kind of political influence also added to the situation.
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DD had 970 yards in about 12 games, he would have been close to 1350-1400 yds if we actually used some sort of rotation and he was allowed to stay healthy.
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I also added an edit to my previous one that Yao was the only choice for #1 that year, the only other good player taken in the top 10 was Amare Stoudemire at #9. He wasn't seen as being on the same level of Yao at that time, but I'm pretty sure any team in the league would prefer to have Amare over Yao now. China had also only cleared Yao to play in Houston, so if he didn't get picked up here he wouldn't have been allowed to leave, so that kind of political influence also added to the situation.
That is not true. At the time, a lot of people thought that the Rockets should take Jay Williams out of Duke because he was a proven player, where with Yao, you didn't know what you were going to get. Jay Williams was the safe pick because everyone saw him play against the best of the best in the ACC and in the NCAA. China did not only clear Yao to play in Houston, in fact their first choice probably would have been Los Angeles or Golden State because of the higher chinese populations. This is getting a little off topic now, we should probably switch the talk back to the Texans.
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I had somewhat forgotten about Jay Williams since he's been out of the game for a couple years, and yes he would have been a viable pick as well. However, China would have cleared Yao to play in LA or NY since they are huge media markets, but neither had a pick anywhere near the top of the draft so Houston was their main option. Some of the other big markets might have been able to talk China into it, but Houston was the only one that had actually received clearance for Yao. Anyways, you are right, this is getting way off topic so back to Texans talk.
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Exactly. Bob McNair will draft Reggie Bush for the same reason why Les Alexander drafted Yao Ming (wait didn't we already have Kelvin Cato?). Both are marketing gold mines who have the potential to be great players. Bush will bring more people to the stadium, which means more concessions sold, more merchandise sold nationwide, and more national exposure.
The funny thing is, last time I checked the Rockets weren't filling the seats anymore. They are still losing this year because of injuries. People in Houston want results, and if you lose, you do not get any support. Yes, Yao but fans in the seats for a couple seasons, but things have not been the same since then.
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Yao is a superstar? I must have missed that one. He couldn't beat Rick Smits on a good day. The kid is soft.

If Reggie puts up the equivalent to Yao he's a bust. Yao doens't dominate the game or his position.
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Tulexan did not just say that Kelvin Cato was a serviceable center, Cato is a bench player 7th man at least. He is about to get shipped now because he cannot produce. Does it sound familiar yeah, to Corey Bradford, but DD produces, and has produced for 2 and 1/2 years.
And just because we draft Bush wont mean DD is left out to pasture. He will benefit from haveing someone to split time with and lessen his carries. Say he gets 15-18 carries a game and can play in all 16 games for once? At 4.5 ypc that adds up to over 1000 yrds. Give Bush 12-15 carries and some touches out of the backfield and who knows what could happen. Houston may well be the BEST fit Reggie Bush could have fallen into.
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Yao is a superstar? I must have missed that one. He couldn't beat Rick Smits on a good day. The kid is soft.

If Reggie puts up the equivalent to Yao he's a bust. Yao doens't dominate the game or his position.

This is getting way off topic, but yes Yao is a superstar. He is a perrenial all star and one of the top three players at his position. He is behind Shaq but there is no other player at center who is clearly better than him. Amare Stoudamire and Tim Duncan are power forwards not centers.

And just because we draft Bush wont mean DD is left out to pasture. He will benefit from haveing someone to split time with and lessen his carries. Say he gets 15-18 carries a game and can play in all 16 games for once? At 4.5 ypc that adds up to over 1000 yrds. Give Bush 12-15 carries and some touches out of the backfield and who knows what could happen. Houston may well be the BEST fit Reggie Bush could have fallen into.

Exactly. Everyone who is against drafting him assumes that DD will never play again and that we are stabbing him in the back. But that will not be the case. We will use both of them the same way that USC uses LenDale and Reggie, the same way that Denver uses Mike and Tatum, and the same way that Miami uses Ronnie and Ricky. Both backs will get their touches and both backs will stay fresh and have longer careers. Both Reggie and Dom seem to be team oriented guys too and would rather win than pile up statistics.
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And just because we draft Bush wont mean DD is left out to pasture. He will benefit from haveing someone to split time with and lessen his carries. Say he gets 15-18 carries a game and can play in all 16 games for once? At 4.5 ypc that adds up to over 1000 yrds. Give Bush 12-15 carries and some touches out of the backfield and who knows what could happen. Houston may well be the BEST fit Reggie Bush could have fallen into.
That's sounds nice on paper, but paying Bush and Davis $75 million (about $15-18 million a year) to each get about 15 carries a game is not good economics, not to mention they won't average 4.5 yards per carry behind our current OL. Houston is not at all the best fit for Reggie Bush, and if your intention for drafting the guy is to only get him 15 carries and maybe a couple catches a game then there's no way he deserves the #1 overall pick and that much money.

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Exactly. Everyone who is against drafting him assumes that DD will never play again and that we are stabbing him in the back. But that will not be the case. We will use both of them the same way that USC uses LenDale and Reggie, the same way that Denver uses Mike and Tatum, and the same way that Miami uses Ronnie and Ricky. Both backs will get their touches and both backs will stay fresh and have longer careers. Both Reggie and Dom seem to be team oriented guys too and would rather win than pile up statistics.
I understand that, but Denver isn't paying Bell and Anderson $75 million to split time with each other, and you don't spend the #1 pick and $50 million on a guy that you only intend to use half of the time.
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