Possible Trades for the #1 Pick

[MorKnolle]

Here is a preliminary look at possible trades for the #1 pick. I am a fan of trading down, but I will leave those preferences aside and just present some possible trade opportunities. I will make it into a poll so everyone can vote on what their preference for a trade would be, please no comments like "keep Reggie" or "we need Reggie" in this thread, just vote and comment on which of these trades would possibly be of interest to you:
1) Trade with the Titans: Trade the 1st overall for the 3rd overall, their 2nd rounder (35th overall), and next year's 2nd round pick. The Titans will be looking to dump some players including maybe Steve McNair and could be looking for their future QB, but there aren't really any players I'd want to take off their roster that they'd likely give up.
2a) Trade with the N.Y. Jets: Trade the 1st overall for the 4th overall, their 2nd rounder (36th overall), and next year's 1st round pick. The Jets could be interested in grabbing Leinart if Pennington won't recover, and could be looking at Bush to replace Curtis Martin. John Abraham would be a nice pickup from their team if we switch to a 4-3, or maybe Laveraneus Coles, which would give us a very good 4-3 DE or a very fast #2 WR.
2b) Trade with the N.Y. Jets: Trade the 1st overall for the 4th overall, their 2nd rounder (36th overall) and 4th rounder (100th overall), next year's 2nd round pick, and John Abraham or Laveraneus Coles.
3a) Trade with the Packers: Trade the 1st overall for the 5th overall, their 2nd rounder (37th overall), and next year's 1st round pick. The Packers could be looking to move up and grab Bush as a replacement for Ahman Green, and the only player on their team that they might give up that I'd be interested in would be Nick Barnett.
3b) Trade with the Packers: Trade the 1st overall for the 5th overall, their 3rd rounder (69th overall), next year's 1st round pick, and Nick Barnett who is a solid MLB.
4) Trade with the Raiders: Trade the 1st overall for the 6th overall, their 2nd rounder (38th overall), and next year's 1st and 3rd round picks. The Raiders are looking for a new QB and may trade up to get Leinart, or could possibly be interested in Bush, but more likely Leinart. Robert Gallery would probably be a decent addition, but I don't see them giving him up, we could maybe add Doug Gabriel to the deal, which would give us an additional fast WR.
5) Trade with the 49ers: Trade the 1st overall for the 7th overall, their 2nd rounder (39th overall), and next year's 2nd round pick. The 49ers are in the rebuilding process and probably won't be looking to trade away too many picks, but they are interested in Bush and we could maybe snag a couple defensive players from them, Julian Peterson would be a great addition at LB, and Andre Carter would be a nice 4-3 DE.
6) Trade with the Lions: Trade the 1st overall for the 9th overall, their 3rd rounder (73rd overall), next year's 2nd and 3rd round picks, and Charles Rogers and Marcus Pollard. The Lions made a mistake drafting a WR in the 1st round three straight years and are definitely looking for a QB to replace Harrington, so they could be interested in trading up to grab Leinart, and this trade gives us a good young WR (albeit injury-prone so far in his career), and a good TE.
7) Trade with the Cardinals: Trade the 1st overall for the 10th overall, their 2nd rounder (42nd overall), next year's 2nd round pick, and Leonard Davis and Adrian Wilson. The Cardinals could be looking for Bush but would be more likely to trade up for Leinart, Davis is the only good player on the OL so I'm not sure they'd be willing to give him up but if Leinart grades out well enough it might happen. This would give us very good S that can cover and tackle, and a mammouth of a OG.

I don't guarantee any of these trades will be offered, but all are a relatively even value according to the draft pick chart. I just want to gather your thoughts on some of these trades that could potentially be offered, if you would accept any of the trades, and if so which would most interest you..

[gwallaia]

A trade with the Titans would be a mistake. I don't think the Texans would want to face Reggie Bush twice a season.

[MorKnolle]

Originally Posted by gwallaia

A trade with the Titans would be a mistake. I don't think the Texans would want to face Reggie Bush twice a season.

True, that could be an important consideration, although I think the Titans would be more interested in trading up for Leinart since they have Chris Brown and Travis Henry at RB and McNair could likely retire or get cut, plus in this particular scenario all we get from the Titans is draft picks, and not as many/as good of picks, and anyone we're interested in at #3 we can probably get at #5 to #7. My personal preference (although I doubt they make the offer) would be the Cardinals, we can still acquire a top-end OT at #10, plus we can add a huge and good OG (Leonard Davis), a good coverage/hitting combo S (Adrian Wilson), and extra 2nd round picks for this year and next year. The Jets offer that would include John Abraham would be a decent offer if we switch to a 4-3 so we wouldn't have to look to free agency or the draft for another DE, and Coles is a very fast WR that would combine with AJ and Mathis to make a lightning fast and good WR core. I would also definitely consider the 49ers trade offer if we could get Peterson and/or Andre Carter out of it, and I'd think about the Lions one to get some extra picks and add a good TE and a WR with great potential if he could stay healthy.

[Bubbajwp]

I choose option D all of the above.

[CITY CAT]

Did You come up with those scenarios? U have 2 much time on your hands.

[MorKnolle]

Originally Posted by CITY CAT

Did You come up with those scenarios? U have 2 much time on your hands.

Yes I did, and it didn't take too long, I just looked up the approximate draft pick values on the charts and factored in any players on each team that I would actually want to bring to our team in exchange for a draft pick in there. I don't think most, if any, of these trades would be offered to us, but they are statistically even and I was curious to see what other people thought would be a decent trade.

[Napa Auto Parts]

those are some interesting options but i seriously doubt mister mcnair is going to let charlie trade the 1st overall pick he is a smart business man and he has seen what the charlie trades look like.

[Scooter]

very provocative pole morknolle, one that i havent yet voted on because of the good options. in several there are scenarios that would work out very well for the texans.

1. i dont like trading within the division unless we're obviously ripping someone off.

2a,b. i dont think either scenario is enough from the jets. i think that between our current linemen & tweeners we can field a very strong 4-3 front, and i'm not sold on coles.

3a. decent deal in a normal trade down scenario

3b. this is leading the pack for me ... no pun intended. we'd receive a solid MLB for our new 4-3 system, a top 5 first, an additional 3rd, and a first rounder next year from a 4-12 team (who is going to be under a new qb). i think this would be very tough to pass up.

4. probably the best pure draft trade down scenario. if they were to offer up gallery in exchange for either this year's 2nd or next year's 3rd i'd be all over it.

5. 9'ers would be very interesting because of peterson & next year. i really dont think it matters who they draft, they're probably going to be bad again next season. if we could sneak in their 1st & 3rd or 2nd & 3rd next year (along with this year's) it'd be very enticing.

6. this is probably my second favorite since we address a hole (TE) with a proven player in pollard, and again get good next year picks from a consistantly bad team. charles rogers i really dont factor in, but if he can manage to keep from breaking something during preseason, has real potential to be a top tier #2 receiver.

7. this is 3rd on my list strictly because of leonard davis. i think trading down to 10 is a bit of a leap, but it'd still give us either winston or d'brick. i would gladly trade adrian wilson to upgrade to their first next year or to get their 3rd this year. what in this scenario is scary is that we could still pickup bentley and/or hutchinson in FA, a big OT in the draft, and possibly a great OG in the draft like jean-gilles ... in this case our offense is DONE for the next several years (provided a TE ... joppru, rivers/murphy stepping up, or 3rd rounder).


nice poll morknolle, i'm interested in how it turns out.

[Grid]

When you are sitting on a prospect like Bush.. I think you have to consider the pick to be worth a great deal more than its listed value.

For that reason.. I wouldnt take anything short of a top ten pick, plus their 1st round next season.. plus their 2nd rounder this season. And Id prefer to throw in their third rounder this season as well.

Anything less than that, and we will not only be taking too little.. but we can also look forward to the ridicule of the entire football world.

[royce1054]

1) Trade with the Titans: Trade the 1st overall for the 3rd overall, their 2nd rounder (35th overall), and next year's 2nd round pick.

I dont like this because if they trade up it will be to jump the saints and take Leinhart. I dont think they have any interest in Bush. THen things start to get really complicated for 7am in the morning

2a) Trade with the N.Y. Jets: Trade the 1st overall for the 4th overall, their 2nd rounder (36th overall), and next year's 1st round pick. John Abraham Laveraneus Coles

I would like this deal however i dont see it happening. I dont see both Coles and Abraham in a deal. Maybe if there was an extra pick in there

2b) Trade with the N.Y. Jets: Trade the 1st overall for the 4th overall, their 2nd rounder (36th overall) and 4th rounder (100th overall), next year's 2nd round pick, and John Abraham or Laveraneus Coles.

This is what i was talking about in 2a. This is one of my favorites on the list but there is something about this deal that just says no to me. I have heard that Bush doesnt want to go to NYJ. So i dont think NYJ is a good deal

3a) Trade with the Packers: Trade the 1st overall for the 5th overall, their 2nd rounder (37th overall), and next year's 1st round pick. Nick Barnett.

I think this deal is a possibility. I dont expect the Packers to have a good team next season so i think the trade with GB would give us a 10 top pick next season. Remember Rodgers is their QB. Farve will likely retire.

3b) Trade with the Packers: Trade the 1st overall for the 5th overall, their 3rd rounder (69th overall), next year's 1st round pick, and Nick Barnett

Same as 3a.. i think the Texans would use Bush as a ploy to get get a 3a from from GB by saying we want him so gives us more to get him.

4) Trade with the Raiders: Trade the 1st overall for the 6th overall, their 2nd rounder (38th overall), and next year's 1st and 3rd round picks. Robert Gallery Doug Gabriel

I dont think this Gallery will be part of any deal.


5) Trade with the 49ers: Trade the 1st overall for the 7th overall, their 2nd rounder (39th overall), and next year's 2nd round pick. Julian Peterson Andre Carter

I dont see SF trading down they are trying to get more picks instead of get rid of picks.

6) Trade with the Lions: Trade the 1st overall for the 9th overall, their 3rd rounder (73rd overall), next year's 2nd and 3rd round picks, and Charles Rogers and Marcus Pollard.

Isnt Rodgers injuryed or coming off an injury. I have to say i think Detriot would either give up someone else or more picks.


7) Trade with the Cardinals: Trade the 1st overall for the 10th overall, their 2nd rounder (42nd overall), next year's 2nd round pick, and Leonard Davis and Adrian Wilson.

It doesnt seem like enough. I think other teams will offer us something better but this is prob in my top 3.

[Texas_Thrill]

The trade with the cardinals is the best one.

We could move back to 10. Pick up L davis considered one of the best guards in the NFL as well as Wilson a good young safety and ballhawk.

Still be in a positon to pick up say J. Williams the CB. Allow us to have two high lineman in the 2nd.

[MorKnolle]

Originally Posted by Grid

When you are sitting on a prospect like Bush.. I think you have to consider the pick to be worth a great deal more than its listed value.

For that reason.. I wouldnt take anything short of a top ten pick, plus their 1st round next season.. plus their 2nd rounder this season. And Id prefer to throw in their third rounder this season as well.

Anything less than that, and we will not only be taking too little.. but we can also look forward to the ridicule of the entire football world.

Agreed, most of these choices that involve receiving just draft picks favor us in the point scale, generally by 200 or so points, but some of that depended on how interested that team would be in Bush vs. grabbing Leinart with the #1. Also, in the trades that involve players as well obviously you have to take out a pick or two so I kind of estimated on those players' values, but overall I think all these trades favor us value-wise and some could give us valuable players to add to the team while keeping us high enough in the 1st round to grab a top OT or a top defensive player like Jimmy or Mario Williams.

Royce, I had heard a couple weeks ago that Bush like NY, and at the time preferred either NY or to stay in Cali (presumably with Raiders or 49ers), probably because those are the biggest markets available in the NFL. I'm sure he's open to going anywhere, but either way it's our trade to make before the draft so in a way it doesn't really matter what Bush's opinion is on his eventual team. If he publically said he wouldn't play for the Jets then obviously they wouldn't trade up unless they were going after Leinart, but I had heard that if anything NY was one of his preferences. I think the Jets are one of the more likely options because John Abraham is likely leaving anyways as a free agent and may be open to a sign and trade, and the Jets could be looking at either Leinart or Bush, so they might like moving up to #1 to have both options available to them until they make a final decision on Pennington's future. As for the Detroit trade, I'd obviously rather get Roy Williams than Charles Rogers since he's stayed injury free for the most part and I think is a better WR, but I don't see them giving him up, maybe Mike Williams or Charles Rogers, but I doubt Roy.

Originally Posted by Texas_Thrill

The trade with the cardinals is the best one.

We could move back to 10. Pick up L davis considered one of the best guards in the NFL as well as Wilson a good young safety and ballhawk.

Still be in a positon to pick up say J. Williams the CB. Allow us to have two high lineman in the 2nd.

This would be my favorite option too, I'm not sure Jimmy Williams would fall that far, but Eric Winston could be there, and using one pick to bring in Leonard Davis at OG and Eric Winston at OT would do wonders for our OL, not to mention we add a very good S and other picks for it too. Rather than trading the #1 for like 4-5 draft picks, I'd prefer to see us get 3 picks and a couple proven veterans that we know have been successful and can help out our team and provide more veteran leadership while adding 2-3 rookies rather than just bringing in 4-5 more rookies.

[run-david-run]

Originally Posted by gwallaia

A trade with the Titans would be a mistake. I don't think the Texans would want to face Reggie Bush twice a season.

If Bush and Leinart are gone and there is no VY, the Titans will draft D'Brick, then who do we go after? I would rather have Bush then Joseph/Giles then AJ Hawk or JImmy Williams. For me the only smart choices are D'Brick or Bush because we have no idea what we are going to do with the D, save that for next year....

[MorKnolle]

Originally Posted by run-david-run

If Bush and Leinart are gone and there is no VY, the Titans will draft D'Brick, then who do we go after? I would rather have Bush then Joseph/Giles then AJ Hawk or JImmy Williams. For me the only smart choices are D'Brick or Bush because we have no idea what we are going to do with the D, save that for next year....

I agree that I'd rather have Bush than just Jean-Gilles, although I'd rather have Eric Winston than Ferguson anyways. The point is we could likely trade the #1 pick and get picks to get Winston and Jean-Gilles, and a 1st rounder next year, and one or two veteran players on defense or elsewhere all just for that one pick, and I personally would rather do that. The only defensive players I'd look at in the 1st round are maybe Jimmy Williams, Michael Huff (if we have a 1st round pick below the #15 or so), or Mario Williams if we're going to switch to a 4-3 defense. Mario I'd be willing to grab in the top 5 (again is we switch defenses), Jimmy maybe depending on how he runs and performs at the combine/workouts, and Huff anywhere below #15. Of course phenomenal workouts by these or other players could increase their draft stock to me, but for now these are the only defensive players I'd take in the 1st.

[Texian]

None of the above...my 1st option would be to talk to N.O. who are in desparate need of a QB. This would GTD them Lienart, hay N.O. if you don't want him maybe Tenn will. Rule of thumb is 3 #1 picks for the 1st pick but for you N.O. Houston will take your 1st rd pick, 2nd rd pick and your #1 pick next year. Then trade the #2 pick and the rights to Bush to GB or OAK for 3 #1's.

[The Preacher]

Nothing less than #1, #2, #3 this year and #1 and #2 next year! Yeah that's right we're talking about Reggie Bush. Take it or leave it. The team that gets Reggie will make a fortune so if you want him you better be prepared to pay. Sorry if that sounds greedy but it's a business you know.

[Coach C.]

Come on Preacher this is not some greatest QB prospect to come out. I would not even give that for a great QB prospect. Reggie is still just a RB/WR so calm down. 1st 2nd and next years 1st 3rd. That is the starting asking price and we can work from their. This type of draft is huge.

[stevo3883]

Originally Posted by Coach C.

Come on Preacher this is not some greatest QB prospect to come out. I would not even give that for a great QB prospect.

you're right. hes the highest rated prospect in the past 25 years at any position.

[MorKnolle]

Originally Posted by The Preacher

Nothing less than #1, #2, #3 this year and #1 and #2 next year! Yeah that's right we're talking about Reggie Bush. Take it or leave it. The team that gets Reggie will make a fortune so if you want him you better be prepared to pay. Sorry if that sounds greedy but it's a business you know.

Well I guess it's a good thing you're not a GM then because no team in any sport would ever give up that much for a single player, and rightfully so, no player is worth that much, especially in a heavily-team-oriented sport like football. Anyways, this thread is getting off topic, so back to ideas about plausible trades and/or the ones listed in the poll.

Originally Posted by stevo3883

you're right. hes the highest rated prospect in the past 25 years at any position.

He is not the highest rated player in the last 25 years at all other than maybe by a couple people that are trying to get their 15 minutes of fame by creating some crap heap of hype around this guy.

*Edit, the only people I would consider offering a trade similar to the one Preacher proposed would be for Marquez Bean or Corbin Williams (Coach C you should know what I'm talking about there).

[Coach C.]

If you honestly think Reggie Bush is a better prospect than Elway, Marino and that 84 class please much less Peyton Manning or Eli. Reggie is not a QB which makes him much less important. Is he a better prospect than college all world Barry Sanders. Morknolle has posted his stats he put up. He also spent two years behind Thurman thomas. Come on Stevo, dont buy into that kind of hype, because he is not that good.