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Old 01-03-2006   #1
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"I don't think guys like Robaire (Smith) and Travis (Johnson) are ends," Robinson said. "They're tackles. Antwan (Peek) and Jason (Babin) are ends, not outside linebackers. They should be rushing the passer all the time. When Morlon Greenwood made plays at Miami, he was outside in a 4-3, not inside in a 3-4."
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This was on Fox 26 Sports last night. They also talked to Gary Walker and he said that he would like to see the Texans switch to a 4-3 next year. Travis Johnson said that he thought he was more suited to be a 4-3 DT.

It would surprise me a great deal not to see this team switch next year.
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sounds like the players want the 4-3.. though.. that could just be because they have been forced to play in a poorly run 3-4, and feel like it isnt the system they want to stay in now.
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Or it could be that they feel their skills are better in a 4-3. We all know how ridiculous drafting TJ was and expecting him to flip over to a 3-4 scheme when we wouldn't even draft DJ b/c he played in a 43 in college.
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The Texans have been running a few 4-3 plays. It would be interesting to see some statistics concerning the success and production of the team when they line up in 3-4 or 4-3.
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Who would play the other end opposite Peek? Please don't say babin.
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Who would play the other end opposite Peek? Please don't say babin.
Yes Babin, what's wrong with that? He played 4-3 DE in college and looks good coming out of a 3 point stance. Actually I would think Babin would start at RDE.
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Who would play the other end opposite Peek? Please don't say babin.
Why couldn't Gary Walker man one of the end positions? He has played that position before, and is a run stuffer. For the other spot, we can draft someone or sign a FA. I see Peek and Babin coming in on 3rd and long downs to rush the passer from those spots. I said it this year, our personell is more suited for a 4-3 than a 3-4, so there won't be this huge transition. Kind of amazing since we have been running the 3-4 for 4 yrs. By the 2007 season, we should be fully set. I never have been a fan of the 3-4. I'm tired of bypassing major league talent, while projecting that some guy at North Dakota St. Jr College can surely make the transition to OLB in a 3-4. :brickwall
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I think we should have babin at DE and keep antwan peek at LB and try to find the best DE left in the 3rd.If we cant get one good enough then we should then put antwan peek at DE.Antwan peek has played very good at LB and I'd hate to move him from there.
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Yes Babin, what's wrong with that? He played 4-3 DE in college and looks good coming out of a 3 point stance. Actually I would think Babin would start at RDE.
So you're a Babin fan who doesn't think we should draft Reggie Bush, no further comment.
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So you're a Babin fan who doesn't think we should draft Reggie Bush, no further comment.
Did you watch the 49'ers game? Babin had 8 tackles and 2 sacks and against the Cards he had 3 tackles 2 sacks and a forced fumble. The guy is starting to come around after switching from a 4-3 DE in college to a 3-4 OLB 2 years ago...
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Did you watch the 49'ers game? Babin had 8 tackles and 2 sacks and against the Cards he had 3 tackles 2 sacks and a forced fumble. The guy is starting to come around after switching from a 4-3 DE in college to a 3-4 OLB 2 years ago...
Orr lead the team in sacks and wasn't even starting at the beginning of the season. He replace the benched walking tattoo. Wow! he had ok games against 2 of the worst teams in the league.
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Orr lead the team in sacks and wasn't even starting at the beginning of the season. He replace the benched walking tattoo. Wow! he had ok games against 2 of the worst teams in the league.
Orr has played in all 16 games this season while Babin has played in 12 games this season...
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Orr didn't START all games, I said START. Babin was benched and replaced by Orr. You like Babin, I don't. I like Bush, you don't. Were both Texan fans go team go. Dubya 06, I mean Reggie 06.
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Orr didn't START all games, I said START. Babin was benched and replaced by Orr. You like Babin, I don't. I like Bush, you don't. Were both Texan fans go team go. Dubya 06, I mean Reggie 06.
Doesn't really matter how many games they started, you can start a game play one down and sit the rest of the game out. And I don't have a problem with Orr, if we stay with the 3-4 I would rather see Babin and Orr at OLB, Peek is who I have a problem with...
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Neither Babin or Peek is big enough to play a 4-3 LDE. I think one of our DT's, perhaps Walker or TJ, would play LDE for a season if we don't sign someone. If we had to go with our current roster to build our defense, here is how it would look IMO:

LDE Walker
LDT R. Smith
RDT Payne/TJ
RDE Peek/Babin
LLB Orr
MLB Wong
RLB Greenwood
RCB Robinson
LCB Buchanon/Faggins
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FS C.C. Brown

You could have a 3 man rotation at DT with Payne, TJ, and Smith.
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Good for DRob. It's good to see him taking a leadership role on this team.

This article confirms what many of us have suspected all along... the players lost confidence in the coaching staff. I would look for players on the offensive side to start speaking up about their system as well.
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This whole team is screwed up. We never had a solid NT to play the 3-4. Payne should have either of been let go this year and we persued Pat Williams better or we should have drafted a bigger NT through the draft the last couple of years (Castillo, Pouha, Wilfork, Tubbs etc.) Why we went after Robaire Smith in a draft that was heavy in DT's is beyond me. And people still think Casserly is great. Please.

I am still convinces that Babin is a good player, we reached too much to get him (another Casserly blunder) but he is still good. What a lot of folks don't understand is that it takes a tweeners in the 3-4 a little bit longer to develop and I certainly believe that he was rushed into the position and wasn't given time to develop. As far as his production this year, early on he had a shoulder injury and tried to play through it, that is the reason he was benched. He tried to go out and play in spite of the injury, something that should be commended.

We are more than likely going to switch to the 4-3 (although the Steelers and Patriots seem to run their 3-4 effectively) so we are in a helluva bind with our current personnel. So you can add DE to the mix of Oline, TE, CB and WR for the needs in this years draft because other than Babin we don't have one. Peek is not a DE in this league and will get blown up on the run. We are left with 4 DT's and not true end so someone is going to get the axe, and personally I think Payne is the 1st to go because his salary is absorbable.

As for D-Rob, he seems frustrated but his 1 interception all year isn't going to cut it either. It was much simpler for him being the #2 CB on this team than it was the #1. He's another one that is playing out of positions because he certainly is not a #1 cornerback.

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"I don't think guys like Robaire (Smith) and Travis (Johnson) are ends," Robinson said. "They're tackles. Antwan (Peek) and Jason (Babin) are ends, not outside linebackers. They should be rushing the passer all the time. When Morlon Greenwood made plays at Miami, he was outside in a 4-3, not inside in a 3-4."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3561047.html
It's common practice for 3-4 teams to seek tackles to play DE and undersized DE's from college to play OLB. DE's don't have the same responsibilities in a 3-4.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6458172
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As for D-Rob, he seems frustrated but his 1 interception all year isn't going to cut it either. It was much simpler for him being the #2 CB on this team than it was the #1. He's another one that is playing out of positions because he certainly is not a #1 cornerback.
As for D-rob.

Yes he should've had more interceptions but if you watch the games, they stayed away from him. We only have one great player on Defense, all most teams was did was focus on other areas of our Defense, D-rob was very rarely challenged directly this year. He was given lots of respect.
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