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HOOK'EM · 01-02-2006

I dont believe some few of you that think we should trade Bush or the pick for more picks.Then when Casserly has all those extra picks what do you think he will do with them. Then You will be the first to complain about all the wasted picks in 06'.Bush is the only sure thing in the Draft and we should not pass that for NOTHING!

Speedy · 01-02-2006

Nothing is ever a sure thing. Well, except for taxes, death and a fire somebody thread on this board.

MorKnolle · 01-02-2006

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Originally Posted by HOOK'EM

I dont believe some few of you that think we should trade Bush or the pick for more picks.Then when Casserly has all those extra picks what do you think he will do with them. Then You will be the first to complain about all the wasted picks in 06'.Bush is the only sure thing in the Draft and we should not pass that for NOTHING!

Bush is not any more of a sure thing than anyone else in the draft, Casserly has made some intelligent draft decisions in the past (the same cannot be said for hi s free agent moves), and McNair, the new coach, and maybe Dan Reeves will be here to make sure he does a good job with the added picks. I don't see how so many people think Bush is some magical person that is going to instantly turn our team around and make it so much better.

Playmaker · 01-02-2006

I'll second that emotion mainly because Casserly stinks with handling multiple draft pick deals. Cass needs to implement the KISS method on that #1 pick.

Playmaker · 01-02-2006

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Originally Posted by MorKnolle

I don't see how so many people think Bush is some magical person that is going to instantly turn our team around and make it so much better.

But he will fill seats in the immediate future which McNair needs. With or without Bush we're still gonna struggle at the beginning of the season because of all the changes. That and some lousy players are still going to be on the roster...takes time to weed out the players the new coach doesn't want (especially the ones with multiyear fat contracts).

ccdude730 · 01-02-2006

mcnair is a businessman who understands every facet of "long-term." he knows as well as others that bush's value is more important than his numbers he MIGHT be able to put up

HOOK'EM · 01-02-2006

I agree with you that McNair knows his value......................Tickets, Jerseys, and National Coverage!

Oh, and he WILL put up the numbers!

ccdude730 · 01-02-2006

actaully, i meant value as in other young players through a trade down with the potential to be key players for years to come

Hottoddie · 01-03-2006

Got a new computer for Christmas, eh?

Big B Texan Fan · 01-03-2006

The draft is already a crap-shoot. Why turn one pick that has the possibility to be a bust into many.

We will not know anything about most of these guys until the combine, their pro-day, and private individual workouts.

Draft-ology 101:
1. Take the best player available.
2. Revisit #1

ccdude730 · 01-03-2006

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Originally Posted by Big B Texan Fan

The draft is already a crap-shoot. Why turn one pick that has the possibility to be a bust into many.

yes, its a crapshoot. so why not take the risk of getting more players with the same potential?

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Originally Posted by Big B Texan Fan

Draft-ology 101:
1. Take the best player available.
2. Revisit #1

taking the best player is only applied when your team has no blatant needs

CITY CAT · 01-03-2006

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Originally Posted by ccdude730

mcnair is a businessman who understands every facet of "long-term." he knows as well as others that bush's value is more important than his numbers he MIGHT be able to put up

Mcnair wants Bush, he is the Lebron of football, and hopefully he won't miss on a player that can change the game of football. Besides why give CC a chance to throw away more picks.:brickwall

Bobo · 01-03-2006

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Originally Posted by HOOK'EM

I dont believe some few of you that think we should trade Bush or the pick for more picks.Then when Casserly has all those extra picks what do you think he will do with them. Then You will be the first to complain about all the wasted picks in 06'.Bush is the only sure thing in the Draft and we should not pass that for NOTHING!

You should get your head out of fantasy football thinking and come into the real world. Look at Denver. They can put anybody at RB and succeed because they have a good OL. And if you will recall, the Colts and Seahawks were looking to trade two of the best RBs in the game because it's common knowledge that RBs are both disposable and replaceable. Besides, drafting one guy at RB certainly doesn't help you with a porous rushing and passing defense. If they draft Bush, I hope you get all excited if Bush breaks off a big run -- and the Texans lose repeatedly 38-7 and 42-10.

Bobo · 01-03-2006

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Originally Posted by CITY CAT

Mcnair wants Bush, he is the Lebron of football, and hopefully he won't miss on a player that can change the game of football. Besides why give CC a chance to throw away more picks.:brickwall

They said the same thing about Lawrence Phillips and Archie Griffin. Those who ignore the blunders of history are condemned to repeat them.

michaelm · 01-03-2006

I don't think anyone here believes we will be a playoff contender next season, so why limit our thinking to how much we can improve in one off season?

Let's look at this as at least a two year process.
We then consider the improvement possible over the next two offseasons to include free agency.
I think that there should be ample opportunity to fill many of our holes over that period of time, and over that period of time(and beyond), we are better off with Bush.

This post seems to be awkwardly worded, but it's late and I don't have the mental capacity to go back and pretty it up...

ATX · 01-03-2006

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Originally Posted by ccdude730

taking the best player is only applied when your team has no blatant needs

Yeah tell the Bengals that when they took Carson Palmer when Kitna was lighting it up. Now look where they are.

Bobo · 01-03-2006

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Originally Posted by atxcoolguy

Yeah tell the Bengals that when they took Carson Palmer when Kitna was lighting it up. Now look where they are.

A.) Palmer is a QB, not a RB. B.) Palmer didn't come into his own until this year. The Bengals previously had made moves up the ladder and were at .500 or above the last few seasons. Hence, the analogy doesn't fit.

michaelm · 01-03-2006

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Originally Posted by atxcoolguy

Yeah tell the Bengals that when they took Carson Palmer when Kitna was lighting it up. Now look where they are.

And when KC drafted L. Johnson when Priest was realllly lighting it up.

ccdude730 · 01-03-2006

mcnair has never said he wants bush. so i dont know why you would make that statement.

and its a general rule about BPA. but where are kitna and holmes now? they are older players now replaced by younger guys

Bobo · 01-03-2006

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Originally Posted by michaelm

And when KC drafted L. Johnson when Priest was realllly lighting it up.

Are you comparing the Chiefs a couple of years ago when they drafted Johnson to the Texans? I would say the Chiefs had a lot more going for them at the time than the Texans do at this point. Plus, Holmes was getting long in the tooth. Davis is young.

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HOOK'EM Veteran Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 379 Rep Power: 8	Do It I agree with you that McNair knows his value......................Tickets, Jerseys, and National Coverage! Oh, and he WILL put up the numbers! Last edited by HOOK'EM; 01-02-2006 at 11:22 PM.

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ccdude730 Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Corpus Christi Posts: 1,615 Rep Power: 128	actaully, i meant value as in other young players through a trade down with the potential to be key players for years to come __________________

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HOOK'EM Veteran Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 379 Rep Power: 8	To all the ones that say trade for more picks I dont believe some few of you that think we should trade Bush or the pick for more picks.Then when Casserly has all those extra picks what do you think he will do with them. Then You will be the first to complain about all the wasted picks in 06'.Bush is the only sure thing in the Draft and we should not pass that for NOTHING!

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Playmaker Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 187 Rep Power: 91	I'll second that emotion mainly because Casserly stinks with handling multiple draft pick deals. Cass needs to implement the KISS method on that #1 pick.

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Big B Texan Fan Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Spring TX Age: 39 Posts: 1,098 Rep Power: 0	The draft is already a crap-shoot. Why turn one pick that has the possibility to be a bust into many. We will not know anything about most of these guys until the combine, their pro-day, and private individual workouts. Draft-ology 101: 1. Take the best player available. 2. Revisit #1 __________________ Kubiak is no mechanic! Trade in the Carr and go with a Young-er model!

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michaelm vox nihili Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Spring, TX Section: 648 Age: 47 Posts: 5,087 Rep Power: 31857	I don't think anyone here believes we will be a playoff contender next season, so why limit our thinking to how much we can improve in one off season? Let's look at this as *at least* a two year process. We then consider the improvement possible over the next two offseasons to include free agency. I think that there should be ample opportunity to fill many of our holes over that period of time, and over that period of time(and beyond), we are better off with Bush. This post seems to be awkwardly worded, but it's late and I don't have the mental capacity to go back and pretty it up... __________________ Every time you make a typo, the errorists win.

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