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Old 01-02-2006   #1
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I just got off work, and I was only able to catch parts of the games there. Did anyone actually follow the top draftable prospects in each game?

DeMarco Ryans? Dwayne Slay? Brody Croyle? Dumervile? Darylle Tapp? Hodge? Hawk? Carpenter? Brooks? etc...

I would prefer to avoid the "he played well" or "I didnt actually watch the game, but..." or anything of the such.

I was just wondering opinions from people who had a chance to watch the game in depth. If you have a PERSONAL scouting report as opposed to a copy and pasted one, that would be much appreciated.

I'm mainly looking at about 7 posters here, but if you would like to contribute, please feel free.

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A.J. Hawk was the one I followed closest. He has great instincts and gets to the ball, and never lets go of a tackle. He had trouble dealing with blockers at times during the game, but for the most part he played excellently and I wouldn't mind drafting him.

I watched the Cotton Bowl but couldn't see much of Slay because he was off-camera. From what I did see, he's a hard hitter that has a tendency to let the receiver catch the ball and then try to force an incompletion/fumble by timing the hit. He does well in run support and blitzing.
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A.J. Hawk was the one I followed closest. He has great instincts and gets to the ball, and never lets go of a tackle. He had trouble dealing with blockers at times during the game, but for the most part he played excellently and I wouldn't mind drafting him.

I watched the Cotton Bowl but couldn't see much of Slay because he was off-camera. From what I did see, he's a hard hitter that has a tendency to let the receiver catch the ball and then try to force an incompletion/fumble by timing the hit. He does well in run support and blitzing.
I have heard similar reports on hawk from today's game. I am REALLY wanting to know about Slay's coverage. Your input is welcomed.
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I might have to record the Sugar Bowl. Trying to watch Jean-Gilles and Pope at once is a tough task. Pope had a couple of money catches at the end of the 1st half, but the TD catch was a gimmie. He looks like a tremendous athlete @ 6'8". Anyone here watched him at all this season?
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I might have to record the Sugar Bowl. Trying to watch Jean-Gilles and Pope at once is a tough task. Pope had a couple of money catches at the end of the 1st half, but the TD catch was a gimmie. He looks like a tremendous athlete @ 6'8". Anyone here watched him at all this season?
I have watched some of this games this year, and he is the most complete TE in the draft.
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What channel is Pope on
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The game is on ABC. West Virginia is surprisingly winning 31-21
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I followed AJ Hawk fairly closely, and am watching my personal favorite for our 2nd rounder, Max Jean-Gilles, the Georgia OG... Here are my humble takes.

AJ Hawk:

Hawk reminded me an awful lot of DJ last year at Texas. Great instincts, incredible quickness, and excellent on-field speed for a 'backer. He had a sack where he looked like he was shot out of a cannon on the blitz, and had several very solid tackles in the open field. Overall, though, I thought he got tied up way too much on blocks inside... and this resulted in some runs that went right by him for long gains inside. As a pure football fan I would much rather see him as OLB in a 4-3 in the pros to use his speed and quickness.

Max Jean-Gilles:

Game is still ongoing, but in the first quarter he was absolutely dominating in the running game (if only they had more OL like him)... I saw two pancakes in the first Q alone. I don't know the DL quality he's going against, but he is too quick and powerful for them to handle. He's been adequate in pass protection. Keep your eyes out for the second half.
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He just defended off two guys on that last play. He was blocking one guy and someone came free on the blitz and he pushed his guy stumbling back and picked up the blitzer. Its just a shame Georgia can't stop fumbling the ball, but Gilles is simply dominant tonight. I would love to have this guy on my line.
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Wow - just saw an incredible blitz pickup by Jean-Gilles... He knocked the first DL back then traded to the blitzing 'backer and knocked him back about 3 feet. I didn't think there was any way he was going to get to that backer in time once the RB missed the pickup.

I hope he doesn't inflate his value too much!
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ha I guess we saw the same play! The guy is awesome
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He just defended off two guys on that last play. He was blocking one guy and someone came free on the blitz and he pushed his guy stumbling back and picked up the blitzer. Its just a shame Georgia can't stop fumbling the ball, but Gilles is simply dominant tonight. I would love to have this guy on my line.

Bomb, you beat me to the post! This guy is awesome!
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Jean-Gillies was pretty impressive with his blocking and I too was thinking that I hope he didn't inflate his value. He was a total beast but again like above I don't know how ppl rank the WV defensive unit. I'd be more than happy with him anchored on that O-Line somewhere.

I thought Pope had a good outing. Couldn't get over the size of the guy and how athletic he seemed. I think Georgia could have used him more though. And had he got a few of those balls actually thrown to him rather than having to bend, stretch or the like, his stats would have been way more impressive I'm guessing.

Haven't watched all the Ohio State game but AJ looked good when the opposition hadn't worked out how to take him out of the play. Was focussing more on Nick Mangold myself though. Think he would look good on that O-Line as well with some work but overall his blocking seemed good.
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I just got off work, and I was only able to catch parts of the games there. Did anyone actually follow the top draftable prospects in each game?

DeMarco Ryans? Dwayne Slay? Brody Croyle? Dumervile? Darylle Tapp? Hodge? Hawk? Carpenter? Brooks? etc...

I would prefer to avoid the "he played well" or "I didnt actually watch the game, but..." or anything of the such.

I was just wondering opinions from people who had a chance to watch the game in depth. If you have a PERSONAL scouting report as opposed to a copy and pasted one, that would be much appreciated.

I'm mainly looking at about 7 posters here, but if you would like to contribute, please feel free.

O, and THANK YOU!!
I mainly paid attention to Abdul Hodge. He broke the Outback Bowl record for tackles with 20 I think it was. He was everywhere. In one series he had 2 or 3 tackles in a row. I saw him and a ball carrier meet like 2 trains head on and Hodge won by a landslide, he put his head down and knocked the ball carrier back about 3 yards. He seemed quick and powerful and was always near the ball.
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Demeco Ryans- He looked ok, but nothing special, was tied up and knocked out of plays, He plays alot like Thomas Davis

Dwayne Slay- Watched him with interest due to the talk up on the board and I am even less impressed with him now. He is at best a 4th round pick or a 3rd round reach. The guy is not good in coverage and not very fast. He can tackle though if he was just 20lbs heavier and could play LB.

Dumerville- was solid in the first and caused some headaches, in the second he was doubled and chopped up by TE so he was taken out effectively. He is not overly fast, but has a really good motor

Tapp- I did not really notice him at first then they started killing the QB for Louisville. I mean they broke this kids nose it was awesome to watch. Tapp is a monster, big strong, not overly fast. He reminds me alot of a Shawne Merrimen, but not as athletic.

Hawk- did not impress me at all. He is a good LB, but about right in line with DJ and Thomas Davis from last year. He probably has better instincts. He does not play as fast as his numbers would imply. He is relentless though and tough. He will make a good pro, plus his girl has a hot body on her.

Carpenter- ankle was broken and did not play

HOPe that helps YTF.
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Thank you Coach C.,

I was one of the few on this board that thought Dwayne Slay was not a good coverage safety. I have seen him take too many bad angles in coverage, but if there is a player in front of him, he can lay the hat. I would not want to draft him based on what I saw.

AJ Hawk is, I think, a good blitzer but does not cover that well. When he recognizes a pass to his area, he is always about 3-4 feet away from the eligible receiver, usually the RB or TE, but I feel that with NFL coaching, he will be an excellent LB for someone. I would draft him.

Max Jean-Gilles boosted his stock yesterday with his excellent performance. He would be a good run blocker and with some seasoning in the NFL, be a serviceable pass blocker. I would draft him.

Santonio Holmes is an excellent route runner and pretty fast, but I don't like his attitude as evidenced by his celebration on the 15 yard line en route to a touchdown. I am of the Earl Campbell generation when to the end zone, act like youv'e been there before. No draft.

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Santonio Holmes is an excellent route runner and pretty fast, but I don't like his attitude as evidenced by his celebration on the 15 yard line en route to a touchdown. I am of the Earl Campbell generation when to the end zone, act like youv'e been there before. No draft.

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Then you just fired 50% of NFL players. As a GM I don't think I'd ignore his blazing fast speed because he held the ball in the air en route to the end zone during a high profile bowl game. Young guys get excited sometimes, go figure.

I wouldn't be surprised of Ohio State makes a run for the National Championship next season.
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Carpenter was injured, and I hope that drops his draft status so he drops to the second round.
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Demeco Ryans- He looked ok, but nothing special, was tied up and knocked out of plays, He plays alot like Thomas Davis

Dwayne Slay- Watched him with interest due to the talk up on the board and I am even less impressed with him now. He is at best a 4th round pick or a 3rd round reach. The guy is not good in coverage and not very fast. He can tackle though if he was just 20lbs heavier and could play LB.

Dumerville- was solid in the first and caused some headaches, in the second he was doubled and chopped up by TE so he was taken out effectively. He is not overly fast, but has a really good motor

Tapp- I did not really notice him at first then they started killing the QB for Louisville. I mean they broke this kids nose it was awesome to watch. Tapp is a monster, big strong, not overly fast. He reminds me alot of a Shawne Merrimen, but not as athletic.

Hawk- did not impress me at all. He is a good LB, but about right in line with DJ and Thomas Davis from last year. He probably has better instincts. He does not play as fast as his numbers would imply. He is relentless though and tough. He will make a good pro, plus his girl has a hot body on her.

Carpenter- ankle was broken and did not play

HOPe that helps YTF.

Thank you, that does help. I never thought Slay was great in coverage. I was hoping he could be average at best. However, he still seems to me at least, to be an excellent SS prospect. None of our current safties impress me at all. I would, however, keep Brown and Earl. Brown at F/S, Slay at SS.

how does that sound to everyone?
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Slay can lay the hat and if you play him very similar to Rodney Harrison he will do well. Meaning he never really covers, but zones and shades. He lays the hat and if you are teaching a kid how to hit he is who you watch it is picture perfect everytime. Also 66 where do you coach in East Texas my ex-fiance is a teacher there...
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