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Old 05-02-2004   #21
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Is the writing on the wall for JJ Moses?
I would hope not! A good returner is like a good receiver or a good running back and to lose a good returner, just because he's not as multi purposed as some of the other returners around the league is crazy. The difference between starting on the 20/25 versus starting on the 15 is a huge difference! I guess we're bound to find out when the time comes though!
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He's fun to watch, but he does not have the speed to go all the way for a td. This was evidenced in the Jets game last year.
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Reasons why JJ should stay:
Gave us good field position on Kickoffs
Excellent hands and rarely fumbles
very elusive
Good team guy, good in the community

Reasons why JJ should go:
As AJ noted - lack of speed, little threat to take it to the house
Did not do nearly as good on PR as KR
Serves as the 5th WR, which he is not suited for

Bottom line analysis by your truly:
JJ is a helluva nice guy, and an above average KR. Howerver, his punt returns leave alot to be desired. He is also taking up a valuable roster spot as the 5th WR, a role for which he frankly he does not have the talent or size/speed combo to fill. With the addition of a couple of WR's in the draft/FA, he cannot compete as the 5th WR. That means for him to make it, he would have to be a true specialist, and he just isn't good enough to fill that role. Vontez Duff was very clearly drafted to fill a dime back/kr/pr role, and I think he will be the front runner coming into camp. JJ is a HUGE longshot to make this team
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bottom line this will be one of the more fun to watch position battles this offseason....with sterling's speed, duff's attitude, and moses's likeableness this will be a fan favorite battle...can't wait til training camp hits
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I just wish he could stay on his feet. Seems like if someone would just lay a hand on him it would trip him up.
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Hey Swisher-

Nice avatar, Calvin and Hobbes is the bomb. I'm also from Atascocita, more specifically Atascocita South.
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I think Sloan Thomas has a chance as a return guy as well... I read somewhere that he had faster 40 times than Roy while at Texas. He's quick, got decent hands and would be taking up a roster spot at WR anyways... speaking of which, Im also looking for him to become the 3rd WR before the 2005 season, moving ahead of Bradford.

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Bradford most likely won't be here after this upcoming season. His contract runs up, and I see Texans moving away from the Bradford days and improving the #2 spot. Unless Bradford has a break out year.
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Bradford most likely won't be here after this upcoming season. His contract runs up, and I see Texans moving away from the Bradford days and improving the #2 spot. Unless Bradford has a break out year.
I think you have a point there really. Bradford has apparently always had the lack of consistency and I've read many times that if Bradford was going to change it would have happened already. After two years I believe that too. He's going to drop some passes that break your heart and catch some passes that blow your mind and there's no predicting what it's going to be.

When he started off hot in 2002 I said that if he ever wanted to prove he was a legitimate NFL #1 or #2 then Houston was his best chance of doing it. I took that back because nobody was going to prove anything in that offense (other than Carr proving that you could get dropped 76 times and still be in one piece afterwards).

In 2003 AJ was a rookie, Carr was in and out of the lineup, and as has been pointed out Carr wasn't checking off all that much. First option and then out to the safety valve. I'm going to say that 2003 wasn't the best spot for Bradford to prove anything either.

In 2004 it's going to be no excuses I think. IF we don't see injuries throw things out of whack, IF Carr continues to progress and gets better at picking his second and third options, and IF AJ starts getting consistent attention then Bradford will either have a great season or he won't. At that point the Texans need to decide whether or not to continue with him based on his performance. I like the guy and I'd like to see him succeed. I want to believe he's going to get to play here when the W's outnumber the L's. I hope he can shine and make other teams pay when they load up on AJ.
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When he couldn't run away from that guy on the one he had broken I figured he was finished, in fact, I thought they'd dump him last year. Unless he's increased his top speed (how do you do that?) he's a goner.
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When he couldn't run away from that guy on the one he had broken I figured he was finished, in fact, I thought they'd dump him last year. Unless he's increased his top speed (how do you do that?) he's a goner.
It is just odd to me that the most consistant criticism of JJ is his lack of top speed/getting caught from behind. Yeah he got caught from behind, AFTER a 70 yard return. That is a signal to bench the guy? Would you really be happier if a guy that ran a 4.2 40 brought it back really quickly to the thirty? Is the only acceptable result on a KR a TD? Seems to me that there is a zone of blame for JJ--if he returns it between the Texans' 20 and 35 it is clap and good return. If he gets past the 35 (i.e. a better return) it becomes he is too slow let's bench him. There are valid criticisms of JJ, such as his punt returns or the fact that he is not a legitimate WR, and he certainly could be beat out by some of the people the Texans have brought in, but criticizing a guy for getting a 70 yard return just seems to be setting the bar a tad bit high IMO.
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I agree. The reason I started this thread is because I believe that JJ will lose his spot on the roster, not because he didn't do a good job (which he did on Kick return), or his breakaway speed (I take great field position or a rare TD anyday), it is because as a team develops your non-starting players have to become multi-vasted. Meaning they must help the team in several ways, and JJ couldn't do that. I don't see JJ becoming a relible receiver. So I believe, he'll lose his spot to a WR or a DB that can return and also help in his positional area.
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I wonder if the addition of Sloan Thomas will change any of this. My thinking is now we have a valid person who can work behind Bradford making a depth position available in the slot for Gaffney. Because if Gaff were to come down with injury who would we have at the slot position there.

Maybe Moses can fit that role. But I do agree with you on the fact that Moses needs to be contributing to the offense as well. Not every game, just when his number is called.

On that 70 yard kick return, lets not also forget that he basically ran 50 yards across the field as well and if a catch or better throw was made, that game could've been ours. We also led in that game and let it get away from us in the 4th. Maybe our defense has improved to where we can start putting these type games away.
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Fact is you don't hire a returner who gets caught from behind if you can find one who doesn't.
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Fact is you don't hire a returner who gets caught from behind if you can find one who doesn't.

Words of wisdom. (should make a fortune cookie out of it.)
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Does anybody know if JJ ever coughed one up last year? Did he ever fumble? I remember even in the Jvill game where he got hit with a cheap shot, he still held on the ball. I really love his approach to the ball, catching it with his hands. That may be one thing that makes Moses a valuable asset. Remember JLewis cost us a few games in our inaugural season.
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I agree. The reason I started this thread is because I believe that JJ will lose his spot on the roster, not because he didn't do a good job (which he did on Kick return), or his breakaway speed (I take great field position or a rare TD anyday), it is because as a team develops your non-starting players have to become multi-vasted. Meaning they must help the team in several ways, and JJ couldn't do that. I don't see JJ becoming a relible receiver. So I believe, he'll lose his spot to a WR or a DB that can return and also help in his positional area.
Now if the Texans would have won the game against the Jets, would you be asking this question? It seems to me you have a problem with JJ, just like many people had a problem with Matt Stevens. Unfortunatley, JJ's highlights were immediatley followed by something stupid. For instance, his 65 yard kickoff return against Cinncinatti, immediatley followed by a holding penalty retuned to the 5 yard line. JJ running one to the Jets 30, immediatley followed by a failed 4th down zipping pass bouncing off Johnson's chest. It seems like you have been blaming the one person for a combined teams failure.
It JJ's spot to lose, yes. But lets wait till training camp starts till we start pointing fingers.
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Now if the Texans would have won the game against the Jets, would you be asking this question? It seems to me you have a problem with JJ, just like many people had a problem with Matt Stevens. Unfortunatley, JJ's highlights were immediatley followed by something stupid. For instance, his 65 yard kickoff return against Cinncinatti, immediatley followed by a holding penalty retuned to the 5 yard line. JJ running one to the Jets 30, immediatley followed by a failed 4th down zipping pass bouncing off Johnson's chest. It seems like you have been blaming the one person for a combined teams failure.
It JJ's spot to lose, yes. But lets wait till training camp starts till we start pointing fingers.
The Jets game has nothing to do with it. I loved what JJ did for us last year. But Our biggest problem was lack of depth, and will still be an issue this year. So until JJ becomes a better receiver, I think his job will always be in jepordy to players who can help in several aspects of the game. (P.S. I hope JJ keeps his job, but I just don't feel like it is going to happen.)
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Does anybody know if JJ ever coughed one up last year? Did he ever fumble? I remember even in the Jvill game where he got hit with a cheap shot, he still held on the ball. I really love his approach to the ball, catching it with his hands. That may be one thing that makes Moses a valuable asset. Remember JLewis cost us a few games in our inaugural season.
No JJ did not fumble the ball in 2003.
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JJ is like Miller to me
1st season Miller was the man.. and 2nd season...miller didn't do bad, but we upgraded the talent around him and his stats went down.

JJ is better than Lewis was and we (me included) love to see him run. He gives us good field positions and is sure handed... but I feel that improvement can be done in that area.. esp that JJ takes up a #5 WR spot and no production out of that.. Yes it will take some hard work for someone to unseat him, but if the Texans can find someone to get PR/KR and play the WR spot or CB spot..well I feel JJ"s days are numbers... I like the guy I really do, but I feel that the Texans are looking for someone to be able to take it to paydirt.. JJ has the accelleration and quickness,but not the top speed...
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