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Old 12-17-2005   #1
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Davis is good but he's surely not a top 10 back. He was drafted into a position where he had the chance to come in and take over the RB position. Who was his coemption? Stacy Freckin Mack of all people. Davis was a 4th round pick; so doing his best on the field was more of an incentive thing plus to get his fatty contract. Now he's the star running back got his fatty contract now we was on cruise control. With all the talk about Reggie Bush coming to the Texans just like Cedric Benson, now all of a sudden he wants to do his job a little better. I don't see why people are in love with Davis just like there first love in high school. In today's game you cant judge a back on pure yards anymore (1000 yards). Davis has only scored 2 touchdowns this year. He's even top 30 in the entire NFL; He's 28th in the AFC; granted he has 4 receiving Touchdown, a couple of them if and when we get in the red zone. He's injury prone as well. We need player who when every time they touch the ball they look to score and who play the game to win first and foremost; also who is a threat to take it back every time they touch the ball and the Defense knows that and they respects him cause he can. We need a RB! (Reggie Bush.)
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He is not paid top 10 back money so why should your expectations be top 10 performance?
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Because everybody and they momma here have said he's a top 10 back which is not the case; and of course if he's not being paid top 10 money then I guess he's not as good as everyone make him out to be; I guess they need to start thinking about drafting someone who can be a top 10 back; not a fourth round back who just got lucky and have a few stats but can't get into the endzone. Which is why they play the game to score and win.
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He had as many yds from scrimmage as LaDannian Freaking Tomlison last season (1770)!!! Maybe that's why people thought he was a good back!!! He also had 14 TD's, this season he is on pace for his best year in terms of rushing yds, he has 976 with 3 games remaning, he could easaly make or surpass 1300 yds.. not bad for a back playing with the worst passing game in the entire NFL!!!
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can't get into the endzone.
This is funny. DD was number 7 in the NFL in rushing touchdowns last year. He was number 9 in total touchdowns! This has been a horrible year for the entire team. I am not going to judge DD on his touchdowns this year. He has proven he can get into the endzone.

And this year he is number 12 in the entire NFL in rushing despite the fact that he has missed two game!

Even with these facts, I think Reggie Bush would be an outstanding addition to our team.
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Pretty close to being a top ten back!

#5 in yards recieving-----337 yds.
#11 in total yards-------1188 yds.
#12 in rushing yards------976 yds.

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Because everybody and they momma here have said he's a top 10 back which is not the case; and of course if he's not being paid top 10 money then I guess he's not as good as everyone make him out to be; I guess they need to start thinking about drafting someone who can be a top 10 back; not a fourth round back who just got lucky and have a few stats but can't get into the endzone. Which is why they play the game to score and win.
It is about value. You value a player who has never played an NFL game and are willing to pay him tens of millions of dollars for a position that has a short career expectancy. DD puts up top 10 numbers in different cartegories.
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Because everybody and they momma here have said he's a top 10 back which is not the case
That's not accurate. DD has his detractors but he certainly has a big base of fans that appreciate his hard working blue collar – slashing style. You see many people post their Davis-love but he is an easy guy to like. Dom IS a "good back". He is a NFL starting caliber running back and has proven this in his first 3 years. He is not an elite back or a Franchise caliber back, but he is certainly a good back. The big problem with Dom is that the team over-uses him and he needs to only carry the ball 15 or so times with 6-7 receptions to stay healthy, fresh and effective in a 16 game NFL regular season. Lord forbid if we ever made the playoffs Dom would be useless by then since he always seems to have wear and tear issues since we don’t make an honest effort to rotate the backs.

I have come around on Dom this last year and value him much more than I have in the past. While he isn't an elite back that teams have to alter their game plans for he is in the group that is the "best of the rest" when it comes to his running skills. He has too many fatal flaws to be an elite back. He is a poor blocker and while his good hands help the passing game he is as useless a blocker as I’ve seen in any starter in the NFL in a while. He doesn't have enough speed to slow down the pass rush on the swing pass so teams are not afraid to pin their ears back when Dom is in the game in passing situations. Teams just play loose zones underneath and keep him in front of them since he really isn't much of a TD threat unless we are inside the red zone, and teams know he is as useless as a toaster if he stays into block.

Bottom line is that Dom has proven his worth and he plays hard and gives us everything he has. He has limitations but he is no underachiever. I’d still like to have a franchise caliber back, but Dom makes a dynamite complimentary back….we just overuse him in a primary capacity.
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Davis is good but he's surely not a top 10 back. He was drafted into a position where he had the chance to come in and take over the RB position. Who was his coemption? Stacy Freckin Mack of all people. Davis was a 4th round pick; so doing his best on the field was more of an incentive thing plus to get his fatty contract. Now he's the star running back got his fatty contract now we was on cruise control. With all the talk about Reggie Bush coming to the Texans just like Cedric Benson, now all of a sudden he wants to do his job a little better. I don't see why people are in love with Davis just like there first love in high school. In today's game you cant judge a back on pure yards anymore (1000 yards). Davis has only scored 2 touchdowns this year. He's even top 30 in the entire NFL; He's 28th in the AFC; granted he has 4 receiving Touchdown, a couple of them if and when we get in the red zone. He's injury prone as well. We need player who when every time they touch the ball they look to score and who play the game to win first and foremost; also who is a threat to take it back every time they touch the ball and the Defense knows that and they respects him cause he can. We need a RB! (Reggie Bush.)

Yeah and Reggie Bush will come into the league with a 20+ million dollar contract and has never run 1 down in the NFL.

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Yeah and Reggie Bush will come into the league with a 20+ million dollar contract and has never run 1 down in the NFL.

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Do did David Carr and you guys love him despite doing nothing so far.
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I agree with Vinny. DD is a good back. Sure, he's got limitations and is not durable enough to be our only horse, but he's good enough to probably start for half the teams in the league. The problem is that he's all we've got on offense that produces week in/out, and we're wearing him down. Mix in a consistent passing game and another RB like him to platoon, and we'd have something to seriously talk about with our offense.
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Touttail Im from Baytown, but i live in Los angeles, be home next week for the holidays, anyways;what im saying is yeah he got stats, he got stats last year that's all good, but this year when he got (PAID) it seems like he fell off.Stats don't win football games, we need somone who can punch it in for wins! The only stats that counts as a RB is scoring!!! You can't score you can't win! Period. Texans Defense last year won us games; and kept it close;not our offense. They let some key guys go, now we bottom of the barrell again.

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Touttail Im from Baytown, but i live in Los angeles, be home next week for the holidays, anyways;what im saying is yeah he got stats, he got stats last year that's all good, but this year when he got (PAID) it seems like he fell off.Stats don't win football games, we need somone who can punch it in for wins! The only stats that counts as a RB is scoring!!! You can't score you can't win! Period. Texans Defense last year won us games; and kept it close;not our offense. They let some key guys go, now we bottom of the barrell again.
I guess we're missing your point?

You admit it was the Defense that kept them in games last year, right? We cut our two biggest veteran Deensive leaders, our passing game is in the toilet, and this is somehow DD's fault for not "stepping it up"? How is he supposed to do better when EVERYONE knows he's the ONLY weapon we've got right now?
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I'd have to disagree with the whole scoring issue. It is nice to be able to have a back to punch it into the endzone but look at Duce Staley last year. He'd get it to the goal line and Jerome Bettis would get it into the endzone. Its all in how you use your personel.
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Yeah and Reggie Bush will come into the league with a 20+ million dollar contract and has never run 1 down in the NFL.

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So do all of the other top 15 picks so that as an arguement is lame, ridiculous, and holds no water...but for some reason its the only thing that keeps you from wanting us to draft Bush.....so if you are going to convince anyone otherwise try and use a better arguement than that.
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So do all of the other top 15 picks so that as an arguement is lame, ridiculous, and holds no water...but for some reason its the only thing that keeps you from wanting us to draft Bush.....so if you are going to convince anyone otherwise try and use a better arguement than that.
the argument is not lame or ridiculous because we can trade down get players we need for a smaller amount of money.

but also why would you want all that money tied up at RB when we can put it elsewhere.
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the argument is not lame or ridiculous because we can trade down get players we need for a smaller amount of money.

but also why would you want all that money tied up at RB when we can put it elsewhere.

So your telling me you would rather have all that money tied up in a few more players that are no where near the talent that Bush is???

Its simple...cuz he's worth it...he is the best player in this draft and his talent and his worth warrants the money. If he wasnt worth the hype he wouldnt put up the numbers that he does nor would he be talked about by anyone...Bush is the closest thing to a "sure thing" coming out of this draft. Whether or not we NEED that with our team is left to be seen, but dont try and convince people that we shouldnt give him top 5 pick money because he's barely coming out of college....every draft pick is coming out of college so that arguement IS RIDICULOUS. If it wasnt then we shouldnt pay any of the draft picks (should we trade down) any of the money either because they havent played one down in the NFL and havent proven themselves...now you tell me how that sounds....yup your right...it sounds RIDICULOUS.
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I'm one of the biggest Davis "bashers," but even I'll admit he is a good back. He'll get his yards and everything but he is not a "franchise" back. You can compare stats as much as you want, but the difference between LT and Davis: teams are scared to death about LT, they arent of Davis. LT has to beat defenses who are focused on him. Teams are focused on AJ when they play us. Davis is not a threat to take a simple dump down and take it the distance, he isnt going to gash teams for long runs consistently.

And he is doing the same thing he did last year. Last year he stunk it up horribly for the first 10 games and then exploded at the end to keep his job. He is doing the same this year. Didnt do anything special the first 10 games and is now putting together a few big games in hopes of swaying the team from not upgrading the position and helping them win a game to take us out of the Bush sweepstakes. You can't win in the NFL when your back only shows up and does something special for 6 out of 16 games.
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