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Old 12-16-2005   #1
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Like fools we will trade down for proper "value".

We will be like the team that drafted Bowie and passed on Jordan because of "need".

There is no trade that gives proper value for Bush, and trying to figure out scenarios not to draft him are ridiculous.

The Texans will screw it up...

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Wow this is your first post. Well at least you are starting off on a foot.
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You are making no sense. We are drafting a player we dont NEED. Some people want him but they arent looking at the whole picture. DD has been what a top 12-13 runner in the past couple of years with a decent-average O-line. Plus Bush doesnt like to run between the tackles and the 1st time a dwight freeney or Robert Mathis, henderson.. ect gets a free shot on him with our O-line its going to be horrible. Plus he mostly plays the Pac-10. The talent out their isnt as good as the SEC, or Big 12. We will see how he does when they play Texas. Texas' D will lay some hits on him. Plus anyways what good is a RB to be an extra weapon if your QB is on his @ss all the time. Drafting him makes no sense what so ever. We would be better off trading down taking an OL, CB to be opposite Dunta. TE will come in 2nd or 3rd round. You dont waste the 1st pick in the draft on a player you dont need. We have dire needs at OL, CB, TE, DB's please look at the overall picture not with tunnel vision
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Hey, we've got three games to go! There is no guarantee that we'll even have the no. 1 pick.

This season could still mathematically end at 4-12, and we'd be down the list a bit. And honestly, I'd like to beat the Jaguars on Christmas Eve, especially if it means we are spoilers once again and prevent them from getting into the playoffs.
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If you go listen to the John McClain show he has talked to 5 or so scouts he really respects and he says the Texans would be absolute fools not to take Bush. Thinks he is the reincarnation of Gayle Sayers. Yes, and there was Cedric Benson too.........
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If we do draft Bush and we dont sign any FA O-lineman. We will be picking in the top 5 again next year with lower attendance. It wont accomplish anything
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How are all you guys so sure what we will do or what we won't do? Nobody here even knows who the Coach and GM will be....how the heck are we supposed to know what they will be thinking when the draft rolls around?
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You are making no sense. We are drafting a player we dont NEED.
And the nets didnt draft Jordan because Bowie filled in a "need" for a big man.

You take the best talent... PERIOD
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If we do draft Bush and we dont sign any FA O-lineman. We will be picking in the top 5 again next year with lower attendance. It wont accomplish anything
we will be frced to address the line because for years now Casserly has not. with Bush, Davis and Carr we will have to address the line via later picks and FA.

but that has nothing to do with us trying to talk our way out of picking one of the best talents to come down the pipe in years.
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And the nets didnt draft Jordan because Bowie filled in a "need" for a big man.

You take the best talent... PERIOD

This isnt basketball. In that sport you can get away with drafting the best player and letting him throw a ball at a hoop. Football takes 10X as much teamwork to work. If each player doesnt do his job then some either gets hurt. Basketball someone messes up a play they miss the bucket o who cares. Stop comparing an A sport like football to a C sport in basketball
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Bush is not a better prospect than either Manning or even Phillip Rivers. So how could he be the best prospect in years. A franchise QB is so much more important than a RB.
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Bush is not a better prospect than either Manning or even Phillip Rivers. So how could he be the best prospect in years. A franchise QB is so much more important than a RB.

That is a true statement i think the average lifespan of a RB is what 4-4.5 years...
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How are all you guys so sure what we will do or what we won't do? Nobody here even knows who the Coach and GM will be....how the heck are we supposed to know what they will be thinking when the draft rolls around?
Well the owner stated in the Justice article that he we didnt "need" help at RB. And while theoretically he is correct, it would be a huge blunder to pass on this guy.

If Casserly is around i garuntee we will pass on him. He'd trade down and "project" another Pitts or Babin as world burners. He's crushed this franchise and he will do so by passing on Bush.

The bottom line is i dont trust anyone in the Texans organization, and i sense that we will make a gigantic blunder in the draft by avoiding Bush for "value" and "need".

As if "need" was ever a concern for this organization. Check our offensive line and our "attempts" to improve it and explain our excellent record going for "need" over raw talent.

Bush or bust. We are sitting on a winning lottery ticket...
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Bush is not a better prospect than either Manning or even Phillip Rivers. So how could he be the best prospect in years. A franchise QB is so much more important than a RB.
Bush isnt a better prospect then Phillip Rivers? Give me a break. Bush is said to be the re-incarnate of Gayle Sayers...
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This isnt basketball. In that sport you can get away with drafting the best player and letting him throw a ball at a hoop. Football takes 10X as much teamwork to work. If each player doesnt do his job then some either gets hurt. Basketball someone messes up a play they miss the bucket o who cares. Stop comparing an A sport like football to a C sport in basketball
Its an analogy...obviously the two sports are different.

But youll go much further as a football team getting the most talent you can. The Texans are the most stale team in the league. We need raw talent and skill. Bush is bar none the best college football player in the country and we have to take the best player available. We are so horrible that we cannot afford to pass on undeniable talent for "value" or "need".

Face it, we are in another rebulding phase for at least 2 years... we dont need to patch up this gang of no hopers, we need to dump a third of the team and build around Bush, Carr, Johnson and Davis. (ie...SIGN A COUPLE LINEMAN WITH A PULSE).
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Bush isnt a better prospect then Phillip Rivers? Give me a break. Bush is said to be the re-incarnate of Gayle Sayers...

no 1 knows that til he is on field. He could be a Kajana Carter or a Blair Thomas
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And the nets didnt draft Jordan because Bowie filled in a "need" for a big man.

You take the best talent... PERIOD
Not to be picky, but it was the Portland Trailblazers that passed on Jordan to draft Bowie. That being said, we should draft Bush!
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no 1 knows that til he is on field. He could be a Kajana Carter or a Blair Thomas
So your going to pass the best talent in years because your afraid? Come on now, the dude has serious pedigree to be a success, and trying to talk yourself out of him as a player is ridiculous. If your afraid he is going to fail, then you must be trembling about anyone else since they arent perceived as anywhere near the talent as Bush.

If your "value" or "need" plays can be busts then that only further reinforces why you have to take the best of the lot and live with the outcome. Dont fail going for second best types...
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So your going to pass the best talent in years because your afraid? Come on now, the dude has serious pedigree to be a success, and trying to talk yourself out of him as a player is ridiculous. If your afraid he is going to fail, then you must be trembling about anyone else since they arent perceived as anywhere near the talent as Bush.

If your "value" or "need" plays can be busts then that only further reinforces why you have to take the best of the lot and live with the outcome. Dont fail going for second best types...
No i am passing on a talent we dont need and we can get multiple picks back. Possibly a 1st next year. We dont need a RB we have a good RB. We need other positions to help protect Carr. If Carr wasnt on his @ss the whole time we wouldnt be having this conversation. We need to upgrade our O-line nto worry about a player we dont need. Plus this is going to be Dan Reeves drafting not Casserly and Reeves makes better picks that will actually help us. If we wanted Bush we could of just let Casserly draft
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No i am passing on a talent we dont need and we can get multiple picks back. Possibly a 1st next year.
Who cares about a first NEXT year we we have a ringer 1sr round selection THIS year?

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We dont need a RB we have a good RB.
We have an above average RB, not a great back. With Bush and Davis we will have a hell of a one two punch. Plus Bush does so many more things then Davis. He is a stud on special teams, can play in the slot....

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We need other positions to help protect Carr.
We can address the line with our other 6 picks and free agency. We dont have to pass on a playmaker just because casserly has ignored the line.

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If we wanted Bush we could of just let Casserly draft
Casserly would pass on Bush. And Casserly is responsible for this mess of a team...

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Plus this is going to be Dan Reeves drafting not Casserly and Reeves makes better picks that will actually help us.
Reeves put his entire future on the line in ATL to move up for Vick. He understands you need playmakers, he isnt a "value" drafter. They could have drafted Tomlinson and gained picks to do so... they opted against it.

If you think Bush doesnt help us, your crazy. trading down to get second tier types helps nobody.
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