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Old 12-16-2005   #1
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I really think with our first pick we need a DIFFERENCE maker on OFFENSE. If for some reason we don't get Bush (either don't get the #1 pick or trade down). What do you guys think about drafting Vince Young to replace Carr?

Since we are going to have to rebuild, we may as well start from the ground up. Vince would give our offense another dimension and would take pressure off our Oline with his running ability. And don't tell me he can't pass at least as well as Carr. Carr rarely completes any downfield passes.

Decline Carr's option, let him go start fresh somewhere else and hand the reins to Vince. He's a hometown kid so would put fans in the seats and he's very exciting to watch. You have Vince, DD, AJ, & draft a solid TE and that's a formidable offense! Better than what Atlanta has with Vick and look how they win every year.

I think we could trade our #1 or #2 pick back to 7-8 and draft Vince while picking up 3-4 extra picks in the process. Not a bad deal!!! This of course all hinges on Vince coming out, but if the Texans expressed interest I bet he would...
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Drafting Young and releasing Carr would set our team back another 4 years. Young is not that much better of a runner than Carr is and Carr has a much stronger arm. Having a scrambling QB doesn't necessarily take pressure off the OLine, sometimes it probably actually adds to it. If you have a pocket passer, the OL knows he will stay in the pocket and deliver the ball, so all the OLine has to worry about is creating that pocket. If they have a running QB like Michael Vick, then the OLine has to worry about him getting jittery in the pocket and dancing around everywhere and the Line will have a hard time knowing where the QB will be and trying to stave off the pass rushers. As much as the "we must draft Reggie" parade had gotten out of control, it was nice not having to hear Vince's name in the last month in reference to wearing a Texans jersey.
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Young is not that much better of a runner than Carr is and Carr has a much stronger arm.
Ridiculous sentence of the year. Carr has zero running back skills. Young as a runner is in a totally different class of player and it is silly to think they are even remotely similar when it comes to running the ball. I'll agree with the balance of your other point that states that running QB's don't equate to a team having less sacks.

I'd love for us to have the balls to draft Young. I'm not sure McNair and this org has them though.
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I love VY in burnt Orange and dislike Carr in Liberty Blue. But at this point in time I would not do a switcheroo. VY has progressed leaps and bounds this year as a signal caller and passer. But our need is elsewhere and VY could use one more year in school (admittedly this may be part UT homer). Early on in the year I thought VY was an early second round selection, but I would put him in the middle of the first right now - pending interviews, mental/physical tests, background checks etc.
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If he comes out he is a top 10 pick (could be top 5 imo). Bank it. He is a better prospect than Steve McNair was coming out of Alcorn St.
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I think VY needs to go back to UT one more year. If he does that, and continues to polish his game, he may be picked #1 overall next year. This year, he could be anywhere from around 5 to 15 imo. He has the skills, but just needs more polish and work on his passing fundemantels. I sure as heck wouldn't mind seeing him in steel blue.
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If he comes out he is a top 10 pick (could be top 5 imo). Bank it. He is a better prospect than Steve McNair was coming out of Alcorn St.
I can dream can't I:
Pick up two year option on Carr and send him and our #1 to the Raiders for their #1 and Gallery and take VY.
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I think VY needs to go back to UT one more year. If he does that, and continues to polish his game, he may be picked #1 overall next year. This year, he could be anywhere from around 5 to 15 imo. He has the skills, but just needs more polish and work on his passing fundemantels. I sure as heck wouldn't mind seeing him in steel blue.
Young led the Nation in passer rating this year....can he ever top that again? How does a QB with bad fundamentals lead the nation in passer rating? Kyle Boller has great mechanics and a beautiful delivery but can't hit the broad side of a barn....but Young leads the nation in passer rating with an unconventional delivery but he needs help with his passes?
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If he comes out he is a top 10 pick (could be top 5 imo). Bank it.
If he comes out you are probably right, however stay in UT & be like a God one more year then the 1st pick in the 07 draft, possibly with a pair of national championships + heismen.

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He is a better prospect than Steve McNair was coming out of Alcorn St.
Vince Young will be a much better known prospect than Steve McNair was, but at the time that was a great pick by the Houston Oilers
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If he comes out you are probably right, however stay in UT & be like a God one more year then the 1st pick in the 07 draft, possibly with a pair of national championships + heismen.
or he could tear his acl and have to rehab for two years for a full recovery. If all he needed was one year to work with good QB coaches the NFL is the place for that...not UT. They are the ones who changed his delivery to the semi-side arm style.
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Drafting Young and releasing Carr would set our team back another 4 years.
No offense. But how can you set back a 1-15 team any further?
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Vince Young will be a much better known prospect than Steve McNair was, but at the time that was a great pick by the Houston Oilers
McNair was pretty well known then and was a top 5-10 consensus player...

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And here is some more food for thought. IF Reeves makes the decision or has heavy influence in making the decision, he is the guy he drafted Mike Vick while he was in Atlanta!
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or he could tear his acl and have to rehab for two years for a full recovery. If all he needed was one year to work with good QB coaches the NFL is the place for that...not UT. They are the ones who changed his delivery to the semi-side arm style.
the NFL? like the Houston Texans? they have really developed David Carr & transformed his semi-side arm style & kept him from not taken a beating:brickwall

however I do believe that if Vince Young where to come out this year he might be drafted into a better situation & not one of the worst teams in the NFL. the Arizona Cardinals for instance (the Texans opponent this week) would be an excellent fit with two outstanding WR's, Kurt Warner as mentor & that crisp desert air I could see Vince turn that team into a playoff contender next year
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Why does everyone think that Young will change his mechanics just because he stays in College? What makes anyone think that Texas even wants to change them? Why does he have to change them anyway? He was the highest rated passer in the NCAA's with this style this season. Most of the guys he was rated higher than probably have a beautiful prototype overhand delivery. Bernie Kosar was shorter than Young and had more success than Carr does with his side arm style. I'd love to bring him in and bring him along slowly like McNair was with the Oilers.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Detroit ditches Harrington and fights for Young if he declares for the draft. That way, Roy and Vince can reunite without Chance Mock screwing things up ... lol. So much talent on the offensive side of the ball there being wasted with a 2-man slingshot under center. Hey, that sounds familiar ...
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I wouldn't be surprised if Detroit ditches Harrington and fights for Young if he declares for the draft. That way, Roy and Vince can reunite without Chance Mock screwing things up ... lol. So much talent on the offensive side of the ball there being wasted with a 2-man slingshot under center. Hey, that sounds familiar ...
Not that VY has control over it, but do you think he wants to be reunited with an extremely talented receiver that still refuses to finish and sell routes and is allergic to blocking? UT got better when Williams left.
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They are the ones who changed his delivery to the semi-side arm style.
Vince has thrown side-arm since high school. It's just gotten progressively worse because he hasn't devoted the amount of time and attention it would take to correct it.

While it's true he led the country in passing effienciency, he's still not an accurate passer even though he's close to being "good enough". I wouldn't bother with trying to change his delivery because I know it'd be a lost cause (see: David Carr after 4 years in the league). QB's will throw however feels natural to them. No amount of coaching will change that.

But if he did learn to throw over the top, it'd be scary. His accuracy as well as velocity would improve by leaps and bounds.
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Andre Ware talks about how the Longhorns have changed his delivery every time he speaks about it and I have seen it in other places as well.
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They tried to change his delivery to one that's over the top. Several Spring practice reports from the past two years mentioned this (from Rivals.com).
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