Assign Blame: Coaching or Personnel? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

Tulip · 12-13-2005

I know we've argued back and forth all season, but I wanted to get an actual NUMERICAL count of where we stand.

I know neither the Capers nor Casserly is 100% to blame, but if you had to choose which was more to blame for the Texans' 2005 failure: coaching or personnel, which would you choose?

**Runner** · 12-13-2005

Coaching

YoungTexanFan · 12-13-2005

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Originally Posted by Runner

Coaching

I would like a combo vote, but as the people listed after the positions, I chose coaching

Corrosion · 12-13-2005

PBurnt , Babin , B.Joppru ,Tony Hollings , and lets not forget Tony Boselli ....Cut Aaron Glenn , Cut Jamie Sharper .....Need I go on ?

Tulip · 12-13-2005

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Originally Posted by YoungTexanFan

I would like a combo vote, but as the people listed after the positions, I chose coaching

But what are the chances that it's a true 50/50 blame scenario?

Gunbuny · 12-13-2005

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Originally Posted by corrosion

PBurnt , Babin , B.Joppru ,Tony Hollings , and lets not forget Tony Boselli ....Cut Aaron Glenn , Cut Jamie Sharper .....Need I go on ?

I have to agree with this statement. The move that screams inept front-office is P-Burnt. How is it that Raidah fans (I know a lot of them) knew he shys away from contact and can't cover but Casserly does not know this?? All he seemrd to care about is if this guy was going to get caught with 10lbs of pot in his car or kick his pregnant girlfriend down the stairs. This is important, but isn't it also important if the guy can play football?

Tulip · 12-13-2005

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Originally Posted by Gunbuny

I have to agree with this statement. The move that screams inept front-office is P-Burnt. How is it that Raidah fans (I know a lot of them) knew he shys away from contact and can't cover but Casserly does not know this??

I don't think that we should have traded for him (or released Glenn), but the Raiders have long been considered an undisciplined team. Casserly thought that proper coaching would correct Buchanon's defects.

rmartin65 · 12-13-2005

Coaching.

texplayer2 · 12-13-2005

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Originally Posted by Gunbuny

I have to agree with this statement. The move that screams inept front-office is P-Burnt. How is it that Raidah fans (I know a lot of them) knew he shys away from contact and can't cover but Casserly does not know this?? ?

I think that shying away from contact is something most players who have been around awhile do. It's called getting older and wiser in life. Football is a sport for the young, this Casserly knows, and now he knows even better. I bet the experience with Buchanon will make him shy away from such contracts as well. Ask Deion Sanders, David Carr,etc....what happens as time goes on.

Corrosion · 12-13-2005

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Originally Posted by rmartin65

Coaching.

Its kinda hard to win as a coach when you have no talent at so many positions .... Ill list the holes .... You all tell me what you think .

Center .... zero talent in S.McKinney ... Seems to think He's and the rest of the O-Line are MUCH better than they really are .

Left O-Guard .....Milford Brown ..... maybe a back up somewhere else ... probably not

TE ..... Mark Bruener .... couldnt catch a beach ball

WR ....Corey Bradford .... See Above
WR....Jabar Gaffney ..... Up one minute , Down the next

LOLB ...Jason Babin .... Lost his starter spot to a special teamer (Shantee Orr , who has played pretty well of late)

RLOB ....Antwan Peek .... Im not hearing how he needs more playing time now .... But I dont hear the play by play guy calling his name much either .

FS ....Marcus Coleman ... Lost his job to a rookie second day pick ....Between DUI's and not showing up for team meetings .... nuff said

RCB ....Phillip Buchanon ... Hurt , Benched , cant tackle , cant cover ... Maybe he should try Flag Football ?

If i left anything out ... fill in the blank .

Dont thing Vince Lombardi could make this team a winner with that many holes .

**Khari** · 12-13-2005

we need a "both" pick

Corrosion · 12-13-2005

By the way .... Im not real big on Capers , although I think he has the right general idea , run the ball well , control the clock , stop the run ... Not pretty to watch but its winning football .

Tulip · 12-13-2005

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Originally Posted by Khari

we need a "both" pick

Why? Is the breakdown of blame:

50.000000% Coaching

and

50.000000% Personnel

?

I very deliberately left off a "both" option.

Tulip · 12-13-2005

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Originally Posted by corrosion

By the way .... Im not real big on Capers , although I think he has the right general idea , run the ball well , control the clock , stop the run ... Not pretty to watch but its winning football .

It's the "keep it close until the 4th quarter and then find a way to pull off the win" part that makes it impossible. That's playing not to lose, and it's a terrible philosophy. I'd say "just ask Mack Brown", but he won't admit it. He still credits better players with the team's jump from good to great over the past year.

Ibar_Harry · 12-13-2005

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Originally Posted by corrosion

Its kinda hard to win as a coach when you have no talent at so many positions .... Ill list the holes .... You all tell me what you think .

Center .... zero talent in S.McKinney ... Seems to think He's and the rest of the O-Line are MUCH better than they really are .

Left O-Guard .....Milford Brown ..... maybe a back up somewhere else ... probably not

TE ..... Mark Bruener .... couldnt catch a beach ball

WR ....Corey Bradford .... See Above
WR....Jabar Gaffney ..... Up one minute , Down the next

LOLB ...Jason Babin .... Lost his starter spot to a special teamer (Shantee Orr , who has played pretty well of late)

RLOB ....Antwan Peek .... Im not hearing how he needs more playing time now .... But I dont hear the play by play guy calling his name much either .

FS ....Marcus Coleman ... Lost his job to a rookie second day pick ....Between DUI's and not showing up for team meetings .... nuff said

RCB ....Phillip Buchanon ... Hurt , Benched , cant tackle , cant cover ... Maybe he should try Flag Football ?

If i left anything out ... fill in the blank .

Dont thing Vince Lombardi could make this team a winner with that many holes .

I wouldn't disagree except I believe those are the players the coaches wanted except for perhaps Brown. Brown was a special draft situation like Hollings and simply never has panned out. But then again who has on the O-line?

Corrosion · 12-13-2005

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Originally Posted by Ibar_Harry

I wouldn't disagree except I believe those are the players the coaches wanted except for perhaps Brown. Brown was a special draft situation like Hollings and simply never has panned out. But then again who has on the O-line?

You may be right on TWO of those players , and they are probably the biggest busts on the team , Babin abd PBurnt ..... but the rest of that mess is Casserly's doing.

keyfro · 12-13-2005

simply put...you play to WIN the game...(best line ever)...you do NOT play not to lose the game...that's what capers does...and that's why he loses...cause he does not play to the win the freakin game

touttail · 12-14-2005

I voted coaching, but needed an all the above button!!!!!

Don't think we have exceptional talent, but strongly feel we would be better than 1-12 with a HC that had some cojones and swagger!

Bobby 119C:brickwall

**Double Barrel** · 12-14-2005

We were 7-9 last year, with most of the same players. It seems to me that the same team should be better than 1-12, so I voted coaching.

Although players should share some of the blame, too. They play the game.

**Vinny** · 12-14-2005

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Originally Posted by Double Barrel

We were 7-9 last year, with most of the same players. It seems to me that the same team should be better than 1-12, so I voted coaching.

Overall we are 4 - 21 our last 25 games. The wheels started falling off last year.

I'd say it was both bad coaching and poor talent. I don't think it is just a one sided equation. Great players can overcome some bad coaching by making plays...we don't get many glimpes of dominating play from too many of our players. Just Walker, Dunta, Dom Davis and flashes of AJ.

View Poll Results: Where Does the Majority of the Blame Lie?
Coaching (Capers)	45	61.64%
Personnel (Casserly)	28	38.36%
Voters: 73. You may not vote on this poll

12-13-2005	#1
Tulip Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 1,864 Rep Power: 13	Assign Blame: Coaching or Personnel? I know we've argued back and forth all season, but I wanted to get an actual NUMERICAL count of where we stand. I know neither the Capers nor Casserly is 100% to blame, but if you had to choose which was more to blame for the Texans' 2005 failure: coaching or personnel, which would you choose?

12-13-2005	#4
Corrosion Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northwest Houston Age: 44 Posts: 26,965 Rep Power: 58801	PBurnt , Babin , B.Joppru ,Tony Hollings , and lets not forget Tony Boselli ....Cut Aaron Glenn , Cut Jamie Sharper .....Need I go on ? __________________ I have no tolerance for stupidity.

12-13-2005	#11
Khari Administrator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Tx and Surrounding Area Section: Varies Age: 35 Posts: 5,406 Rep Power: 8517	we need a "both" pick __________________

12-13-2005	#12
Corrosion Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northwest Houston Age: 44 Posts: 26,965 Rep Power: 58801	By the way .... Im not real big on Capers , although I think he has the right general idea , run the ball well , control the clock , stop the run ... Not pretty to watch but its winning football . __________________ I have no tolerance for stupidity.

12-13-2005	#2
Runner Hubcap Diamond Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,436 Rep Power: 6068	Coaching

12-13-2005	#8
rmartin65 I'm Score Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 23 Posts: 7,499 Rep Power: 20041	Coaching.

12-13-2005	#17
keyfro Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 29 Posts: 1,859 Rep Power: 13	simply put...you play to WIN the game...(best line ever)...you do NOT play not to lose the game...that's what capers does...and that's why he loses...cause he does not play to the win the freakin game __________________ With the 10th overall pick in the 2007 NFL draft the Houston Texans select...?????

12-14-2005	#18
touttail All Pro Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baytown Age: 58 Posts: 948 Rep Power: 9	I voted coaching, but needed an all the above button!!!!! Don't think we have exceptional talent, but strongly feel we would be better than 1-12 with a HC that had some cojones and swagger! Bobby 119C:brickwall

12-14-2005	#19
Double Barrel Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Section: Gridiron, Texas Age: 46 Posts: 27,097 Rep Power: 82546	We were 7-9 last year, with most of the same players. It seems to me that the same team should be better than 1-12, so I voted coaching. Although players should share some of the blame, too. They play the game. __________________ "FOOTBALL IS ONLY A DIVERSION." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS In Memoriam - 20 little angels

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