Houston Texans vs. SF 49ers. Worst game in NFL history? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

**gtexan02** · 12-12-2005

Seriously, think about it. Our combined win totals at that point could very well be 3, maybe 4. If the rumors about us are even a fraction true, it could be the worst game in the entire history of the NFL.

playoff year please · 12-12-2005

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Originally Posted by gtexan02

Seriously, think about it. Our combined win totals at that point could very well be 3, maybe 4. If the rumors about us are even a fraction true, it could be the worst game in the entire history of the NFL.

Each team misses 2 field goals. Record for the most punts in a game. Quarterbacks being sacked by clear air (oh that seems to already happen).

Hervoyel · 12-12-2005

It will come down to an exchange of intentional safeties until the very end when, the 49ers will run back and give up one more safety to force overtime. The winner of the coin toss elects to receive and they run back into their endzone to wait for the game-losing score..... except nobody chases them back there. 11 defenders just wait outside the end zone until the head official calls the game a tie and Tagliabu awards the first pick to the Packers because the Texans and 49ers are being punished for making a mockery of the game of football.

playoff year please · 12-12-2005

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Originally Posted by Hervoyel

It will come down to an exchange of intentional safeties until the very end when, the 49ers will run back and give up one more safety to force overtime. The winner of the coin toss elects to receive and they run back into their endzone to wait for the game-losing score..... except nobody chases them back there. 11 defenders just wait outside the end zone until the head official calls the game a tie and Tagliabu awards the first pick to the Packers because the Texans and 49ers are being punished for making a mockery of the game of football.

**gtexan02** · 12-12-2005

If we both end up 2-14, who gets the #1 pick?

**Vinny** · 12-12-2005

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Originally Posted by gtexan02

If we both end up 2-14, who gets the #1 pick?

49'ers

**SheTexan** · 12-12-2005

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Originally Posted by Vinny

49'ers

Why?

**Vinny** · 12-12-2005

Strength of schedule

bavanlan · 12-12-2005

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Originally Posted by SheTexan

Why?

It would go to the team with the easier schedule. The reasoning is that if two teams have the same record, the team that managed the same record with an easier schedule would be worse.

At this moment, I believe the Texans actually have an easier Strength of Schedule, so they would get the first pick.

**eriadoc** · 12-12-2005

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Originally Posted by gtexan02

If we both end up 2-14, who gets the #1 pick?

If I understand this correctly, the weakest strength of schedule of the two will end up with the #1 pick. Currently, SF's opponents have won 99 games between them. Their final 3 opponents have won a total of 15 games. Our opponents to this point have won a total of 107 games. Our final 3 opponents have won a total of 15 games as well. It would be difficult for us to get the #1 pick if we win another game and the 49ers do not.

**Hardcore Texan** · 12-12-2005

It will probably come down to this game. It will probably be sloppy.

Blake · 12-12-2005

The Texans have a good chance to beat all 3 of their opponents. The Jags like to roll over against us.

The Texans could end up 3-13, or even 4-12.

My guess is that we will lose to the cards, and beat the Jags, or 49ers. Ending up at 3-13. Of course guessing an NFL game is like picking a number between 1-100.

nunusguy · 12-12-2005

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Originally Posted by gtexan02

If we both end up 2-14, who gets the #1 pick?

The SOS is a dynamic calculation: if our SOS was calced today vs. the 49rs, our is stronger so they would draft ahead of us. But after each Sundays round
of games, a new calc has to be done because each opponent has played another game and the SOS of all teams aggregate opponents has changed.
In other words, we won't know for sure until the end of the year. Our big disadvantage is having the Colts in our SOS calcs which obviuosly shoves
our comparitive SOS thru the roof.

bavanlan · 12-12-2005

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

The SOS is a dynamic calculation: if our SOS was calced today vs. the 49rs, our is stronger so they would draft ahead of us. But after each Sundays round
of games, a new calc has to be done because each opponent has played another game and the SOS of all teams aggregate opponents has changed.
In other words, we won't know for sure until the end of the year. Our big disadvantage is having the Colts in our SOS calcs which obviuosly shoves
our comparitive SOS thru the roof.

Not true, your strength of schedule (thus far) is actually weaker...

**eriadoc** · 12-12-2005

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Originally Posted by bavanlan

Not true, your strength of schedule (thus far) is actually weaker...

Please explain, for those of us who fail to understand this stuff. Our opponents have won a combined 107 games so far. The 49ers' opponents have won 99 games so far. The remaining three for each team have a combined win total of 15 each, so far. How is our schedule weaker?

bavanlan · 12-12-2005

I'm just going by what NFL.com has up...

http://www.nfl.com/standings/conference

Texans - .574
49ers - .586

**eriadoc** · 12-12-2005

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Originally Posted by bavanlan

I'm just going by what NFL.com has up...

http://www.nfl.com/standings/conference

Texans - .574
49ers - .586

OK, I officially don't understand. Oh well. Maybe those Indy losses will turn out to have more "quality" as a loss once they beat Seattle and San Diego. Is this stuff run by the BCS?

**gwallaia** · 12-12-2005

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Originally Posted by eriadoc

OK, I officially don't understand. Oh well. Maybe those Indy losses will turn out to have more "quality" as a loss once they beat Seattle and San Diego. Is this stuff run by the BCS?

If that were true, the Super Bowl would be the Colts and Seahawks right now and there would be no need for the playoffs.

**gtexan02** · 12-12-2005

Even though our teams have won more games, they have not won more games against good teams. So the 49ers teams that have won games have won games against harder opponents. Understand?

Sarg01 · 12-12-2005

I have a thread in the draft forum on current (including yesterday's games) SOS standing for all 4-wins-or-less teams. There's a couple different ways to count SOS, so you can hear different numbers from different people. All these produce the same results after week 17 but can vary before that.

My method is to count opponent victories, counting two victories for the each of the other three division team victories. I'd give .5 victories for a tie, but that's not been an issue yet. For the Texans this number includes (Ind+Jax+Ten) x 2 = 52, then add in the AFC North (26 victories) and the NFC West (22 victories). Finally, you add the two one-off games, KC (8) and Buffalo (4) for a total of 112 opponent victories. The good thing about this method is that it doesn't attempt to predict the future. It's very easy to see what the results of a given game will do to a team's SOS.

As things stand at the moment, the Texans have the #1 pick if they lose out (obvious) the #1 pick if they win once (via 112 SOS vs. Niners 114), the #4 pick if they win twice and the #12 pick if they win out.Of course, these numbers can change as teams win to improve their record.

Other methods attempt to extrapolate the results of the season's remaining games. The NFL, for instance, averages the W-L percentages of the opponents, counting division rivals twice. This is fine, but by putting a hard decimal figure on it implies that a given team will perform exactly the same over the last 3 games as it did over the first 13. After week 17, all methods of computing SOS merge to produce the same results since at that point, there is no prediction left in any of the methods.

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Hervoyel The Right Track Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 12,880 Rep Power: 58565	It will come down to an exchange of intentional safeties until the very end when, the 49ers will run back and give up one more safety to force overtime. The winner of the coin toss elects to receive and they run back into their endzone to wait for the game-losing score..... except nobody chases them back there. 11 defenders just wait outside the end zone until the head official calls the game a tie and Tagliabu awards the first pick to the Packers because the Texans and 49ers are being punished for making a mockery of the game of football. __________________ A wise man once said "...well at this point it's all been hashed out and you either see it or don't. Hoping for a win next week" - HTown2ATX

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Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	Strength of schedule __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

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Hardcore Texan Magnet Man Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Round Rock, TX Age: 38 Posts: 9,383 Rep Power: 18364	Bush Bowl - Jan. 1st - TEXANS VS. 49ERS It will probably come down to this game. It will probably be sloppy.

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gtexan02 Working? Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston Age: 29 Posts: 15,334 Rep Power: 34917	Houston Texans vs. SF 49ers. Worst game in NFL history? Seriously, think about it. Our combined win totals at that point could very well be 3, maybe 4. If the rumors about us are even a fraction true, it could be the worst game in the entire history of the NFL.

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Blake MMQB Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Spring Section: 551/B Posts: 9,595 Rep Power: 14926	The Texans have a good chance to beat all 3 of their opponents. The Jags like to roll over against us. The Texans could end up 3-13, or even 4-12. My guess is that we will lose to the cards, and beat the Jags, or 49ers. Ending up at 3-13. Of course guessing an NFL game is like picking a number between 1-100. __________________

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bavanlan Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 31 Posts: 49 Rep Power: 0	I'm just going by what NFL.com has up... http://www.nfl.com/standings/conference Texans - .574 49ers - .586

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Sarg01 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 1,152 Rep Power: 11	I have a thread in the draft forum on current (including yesterday's games) SOS standing for all 4-wins-or-less teams. There's a couple different ways to count SOS, so you can hear different numbers from different people. All these produce the same results after week 17 but can vary before that. My method is to count opponent victories, counting two victories for the each of the other three division team victories. I'd give .5 victories for a tie, but that's not been an issue yet. For the Texans this number includes (Ind+Jax+Ten) x 2 = 52, then add in the AFC North (26 victories) and the NFC West (22 victories). Finally, you add the two one-off games, KC (8) and Buffalo (4) for a total of 112 opponent victories. The good thing about this method is that it doesn't attempt to predict the future. It's very easy to see what the results of a given game will do to a team's SOS. As things stand at the moment, the Texans have the #1 pick if they lose out (obvious) the #1 pick if they win once (via 112 SOS vs. Niners 114), the #4 pick if they win twice and the #12 pick if they win out.Of course, these numbers can change as teams win to improve their record. Other methods attempt to extrapolate the results of the season's remaining games. The NFL, for instance, averages the W-L percentages of the opponents, counting division rivals twice. This is fine, but by putting a hard decimal figure on it implies that a given team will perform exactly the same over the last 3 games as it did over the first 13. After week 17, all methods of computing SOS merge to produce the same results since at that point, there is no prediction left in any of the methods.

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