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Old 12-12-2005   #1
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“Coaching Pedigrees, we can learn a lot from studying dogs” By Steel Perch


I have recently started looking into buying a new puppy, a Chocolate Labrador Retriever. After doing some research, I found that it is very important to learn about the exact pedigree of the dog since bad genetics can lead to a blind or crippled dog only a few short years later.

This got me thinking about NFL head coaches. Does where they come from make a difference in their chances to win a Super Bowl? We all know about Bill Cowher’s lineage as a direct descendant of Marty Schottenheimer, but I thought I’d expand on his pedigree a bit further and also take a look at coaches who have won Super Bowls in the past 15 years.

Looking at recent history, 15 of the last 16 years the coach who has won the Super Bowl has had experience at being a champion. They have all either:

1.) Won a Super Bowl as an assistant coach or player

2.) Coached a college national championship team or

3.) Previously coached an NFL team to a Super Bowl win.
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Is there any way to send this to Mr. McNair?

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You pretty much just told me that Kubiak is our best option. Young, aggressive and 3 shiny rings to hold over the team.
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Kubiak is a capable and talented follower/contributor who is more adept working in the shadow of great leaders, not being the leader. He appears to be a thoughtful Type B - which is actually a lot like Capers when you get right down to it. I doubt that motivating others is one of his strengths.

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Yeah, but I hear Cowher kicks but on Madden.
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Kubiak is a capable and talented follower/contributor who is more adept working in the shadow of great leaders, not being the leader. He appears to be a thoughtful Type B - which is actually a lot like Capers when you get right down to it. I doubt that motivating others is one of his strengths.
Where do you get this from. The thought that Kubiak is not a HC because he has not been offered is wrong, he has not wanted it. He is a strong family guy and was quoted when the Saints, Dolphins, and Cardinals approached him as saying he wants to keep his family were they are comfortable. Their have been two jobs which he has pursued. One of those was the Texans and Casserly felt like he wanted a guy that had coached before. Kubiak is a leader and anyone in the Denver organization would tell you that. He is a freakin ex-QB all he could be is a leader.
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I did not know the numbers were that one sided in regards to having a championship pedigree in order to be successful. I would guessed like 8-10 or so out 16. Nice find and let's pull this back up after the new coach is found.
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Kubiak is a capable and talented follower/contributor who is more adept working in the shadow of great leaders, not being the leader. He appears to be a thoughtful Type B - which is actually a lot like Capers when you get right down to it. I doubt that motivating others is one of his strengths.
I would be interested in knowing where you came by the info necessary to draw this conclusion as well. Kubiak has turned down at least 3 HC jobs and reportedly turned down interviews for HC positions, stating that he didn't feel he was ready to be a HC yet (this was in '98, '99, and '00). I'm not saying you're wrong (well, I think you might be), but mostly I'm curious if you have any data to back up this claim. If so, that would be an interesting point to consider, since Kubiak seems to be the logical frontrunner at this point.

As to the original post - There might be some merit in what you've found, but it could just as easily be argued that all of these coaches have had success. There may come a point when the Steelers have to accept that he's not going to lead them to the promised land, but he has gotten them to a Super Bowl, and he did coach a 15-1 team last year. The point being, he's consistently won. Marty had some bad luck facing Elway all those years and may very well pull a rabbit out of his hat with San Diego. Dungy built that Tampa Bay team that won the Super Bowl and Gruden came in and rode the coattails, a la Barry Switzer (that could be argued anyway). Herm Edwards has had more injury problems than any coach could overcome this year and the only year he had a healthy QB, they did pretty well. Lovie Smith is doing wonders in Chicago. They're going to make the playoffs and probably by winning the division. They have a starting rookie QB that was backing up (essentially) a rookie QB in Grossman. He's resurrected the career of a running back that everyone else figured was a bust.

I don't know. We'll see how it all shakes out, but every coach on this list is far superior to anything we've had in Houston ... well ... ever, maybe. I can easily see Dungy getting to the Super Bowl this year and that will make two SB teams he's built. I can easily see Schottenheimer getting to the SB in the next 3-4 years. I can easily see Cowher getting there again at some point. There's not enough data to suggest that Lovie Smith or Herm Edwards will get there yet, but I like their chances better than those of Capers.
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Im bringing back this thread, now that we are actively looking for our next coach.
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I agree. We need someone with championship success to lead us, not someone who's failed, like a fired head coach.
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Is there any way to send this to Mr. McNair?

He needs to read it
Heard all this before and it was thoroughly discredited two weeks ago on this board.
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Well a fired coach isnt necessarily a bad thing.. depends on the circumstance of course.. but according to this article.. they HAVE to have won a superbowl before, or have worked under someone who has, or they need to have been a national champion ship coach at the college level.
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I agree. We need someone with championship success to lead us, not someone who's failed, like a fired head coach.
Mike Shanahan was a fired Head Coach before he became the Broncos coach. He did win Superbowls with the Niners as an assistant, though, so that gives more fuel for that fire.
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First of all, we need to elevate our expectations and eliminate our excuses for losing. From the get-go, we need to expect to win. Saban, at Miami, was a first time NFL HC that took over a losing team and turned it into a winner the first year--team getting better as the year went along, winning 6 in a row.

Under Capers, we became the first modern era expansion team to not only not make the playoffs by the 4th year but not even to have a winning season. From day one, excuses abounded why it was ok to lose and the Texans did, ending in the debacle we had this season. There is an old saying that 'you get what you expect/accept.' IMO, we would have never won under Capers no matter what was done. The 5 yr plan was not a good idea and started failing in the middle of year 3.

Second, we need a HC that knows how to game plan from one game to the next and how to make adjustments to that plan within the game if it is not working. Capers had virtually the same game plan every week and led the team to a bunch of losses in the second half. Flexibility and not rigidity is the key.

Third, we need a HC that plays everyone especially when a player is having a tough game-maybe another player will have a 'hot hand.' Results need to be preached to the players and determine their playing time. From the first day of camp, every player must understand that the 'bar' has been raised. Likewise, we need a HC that puts his players in a position to excel and uses their strengths. Capers was very weak in this area.

Selecting a HC that has had experience with a winning program is a good idea, having coached in a Super Bowl is even better. That means that coach knows first hand what works/what does not work/etc. Finally, it would be a plus if our new HC could actually inform the fans after a game and not just give us the same old 'rubber stamp.' Execute or any form of the word is not something I will miss....
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Kubiak was looked into when the Texans first started but didn't get the job, that was 4 years ago. Kubiak may not display other intangibles that a HC needs. I for one want a strong defensive coach that make this defense one of his highest priorities because it's the defense that wins champsionships.
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Kubiak was looked into when the Texans first started but didn't get the job, that was 4 years ago. Kubiak may not display other intangibles that a HC needs. I for one want a strong defensive coach that make this defense one of his highest priorities because it's the defense that wins champsionships.
Dont they say D-Fence wins Championships?????LOL
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Kubiak was looked into when the Texans first started but didn't get the job, that was 4 years ago. Kubiak may not display other intangibles that a HC needs. I for one want a strong defensive coach that make this defense one of his highest priorities because it's the defense that wins champsionships.
AFC playoff teams had 3 teams in the top 5 defenses, 4 in the top 10, and 2 out of the top 10.

Afc playoff teams 4 offenses in the top 5,all 6 offenses in the top 10.

So, in the AFC, teams with the better offenses won and made the playoffs.

Capers is considered a strong defensive coach and that got us what?
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Kubiak is a capable and talented follower/contributor who is more adept working in the shadow of great leaders, not being the leader. He appears to be a thoughtful Type B - which is actually a lot like Capers when you get right down to it. I doubt that motivating others is one of his strengths.
I posted this on Houstonprofootball.

For some reason Kubiak doesn't interview well. He has also been a little reluctant to be a head coach. Those 2 things worry me. Maybe he is an oc like Dom is a dc and we hire him and get the same thing.

Here is something Richard Justice said in his column. I'm no Richard Justice fan but this rang true.

Good coaches like good salesmen or preachers don't interview poorly. If a coach can't convince an owner to hire him, he's not going to convince a team to play for him.

Good coaches show up with a blueprint for winning. McNair knows this is the most important decision he has made as an NFL owner. If he makes the right call, the Texans will be competitive next season. He should begin with Scott Linehan.
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