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View Poll Results: Texan's worst off-season move/blunder?
Releasing Aaron Glenn 9 6.12%
Releasing Jamie Sharper 11 7.48%
Releasing Steve Foley 0 0%
Trading 2nd & 3rd RD picks for Phillip Buchanon 55 37.41%
Trading 2nd 3rd 4th RD picks to draft Jason Babin 27th overall 27 18.37%
Using 2nd round pick on Tony Hollings 9 6.12%
Giving Marcus Coleman a contract extension 4 2.72%
Signing Morlon Greenwood to a huge contract 6 4.08%
Passing on Derrick Johnson in the draft 16 10.88%
*predicts future* not drafting Reggie Bush 10 6.80%
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Old 12-05-2005   #21
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Boselli and Carr could be nominees as well.
Oh look an I hate Carr comment - Hey is that you in the picture? A Texas fan? No wonder you sound upset. I am an Aggie fan, I'm used to losing.

This one was hard, between not taking DJ so we could take a bench warmer in TJ or giving our division rival and former heartache a boat load of picks to help in there rebuild process, I must admit I am perplexed.

My vote would still have to go to the TJ pick. A non starting undersized DT who makes more money than what a back up should make. If we needed depth we should have kept Deloch or Martin. Would have been cheaper.
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The Babin move was pretty bad. 3 players for an underacheiving guy? Its close.
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Oh look an I hate Carr comment - Hey is that you in the picture? A Texas fan? No wonder you sound upset. I am an Aggie fan, I'm used to losing.

This one was hard, between not taking DJ so we could take a bench warmer in TJ or giving our division rival and former heartache a boat load of picks to help in there rebuild process, I must admit I am perplexed.

My vote would still have to go to the TJ pick. A non starting undersized DT who makes more money than what a back up should make. If we needed depth we should have kept Deloch or Martin. Would have been cheaper.
We did keep DeLoach but he hasn't been active for most games. I will agree that passing on DJ was bad, but in this poll I still have to take Babin. Drafting him with our original second rounder would have still put him on this poll, but giving away three picks that we didn't even need to give up to get him just adds to it.
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The Babin pick put us in a bad situation. I mean even if someone does take him it was a deep draft as far as LB and other posisitons. Damn shame we reached so high in the draft, but maybe we thought tennessee or NE would take him.
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The Babin move was pretty bad. 3 players for an underacheiving guy? Its close.
Yep, that's exactly what I was about to say. I don't like to think of "what could have beens" but.....well, never mind:brickwall
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Oh look an I hate Carr comment - Hey is that you in the picture? A Texas fan? No wonder you sound upset. I am an Aggie fan, I'm used to losing.

This one was hard, between not taking DJ so we could take a bench warmer in TJ or giving our division rival and former heartache a boat load of picks to help in there rebuild process, I must admit I am perplexed.

My vote would still have to go to the TJ pick. A non starting undersized DT who makes more money than what a back up should make. If we needed depth we should have kept Deloch or Martin. Would have been cheaper.
Funny how you give Carr a pass on four years, but not TJ after 3/4 of a season. The front of the jersey says Texans, not the Carrs. I was patient for three years with Carr. I would hope that Texan's fans would be as patient with others, especially those that will stand up for Carr no matter what.
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Yep, that's exactly what I was about to say. I don't like to think of "what could have beens" but.....well, never mind:brickwall

The Titans didn't win last year they only have 3 wins this year with all of the great draft picks we gave them for Babin."what could have beens" is not any better than what did happen.
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wow, I look at all these moves listed and can't fathom Casserly being back here next year with so many bad picks on his watch.
Well, regardless of the obvious fact that these are final decisions made by the GM, you still need to take into account how much influence the coaches themselves had in these decisions. A GM has to listen to the coaches that he hires.

If you don't, I'm willing to bet McNair will.
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worse than that is releasing Aaron Glenn.
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Hard for me to see passing on DJ as a bigger screw up than trading for Buchanon. Odell Thurman and Lofa Tatupu are both playing as well or better than DJ and could have been had in the 2nd round.
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releasing of AG and JS ... well they were making big bucks and from what I hear didn't want to renegiate the contract.

Steve foley?? please.. he wouldn't make the plays here like he does there

Buchanon? yeah we wasted a 2nd on him .. if a coach could get him to play we would be set (his talent wise).

Babin? ..I think wrong time wrong place.. we needed depth so I would have liked those picks and jury is still out on Babin..

Hollings was a boom or bust pick who would have know the Raiders to go from super bowl to bust on that.

As far as trashing the Defensive players we have.. I want to see a coach in here to utilize them.. I, along with all of you have waiting 4 years to see a real "Dom Capers" defensive swarming unit and we have nothing but a passive conservative unit... I think there is talent on the club but not talent on the sidelines .. I think Dom is a heck of a DC but not HC.


At this moment.. I'd say the Babin one is riskiest one. we gave up a lot at the start, yet I want to see what we can do with a DC in here.
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main difference in our team this year compared to seasons fast.. seems we are whipped before we start.. we have lost confidence in our coaching staff and it shows on the field ..They might not say it, but we all can see it.

IF we had 1/2 of the fire of the first game we played..I think we'd have about 6 wins .
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I couldn't decide as to which was worst. I'll say it was getting rid of Glenn, who is looking good with Parcells, and inserting the Matador into our secondary. This was supposed to be an upgrade to our defense, but it completely backfired. We definitely took two steps back on defense this year, and I have a feeling that we would have done much better had our defensive unit not been "improved" with new blood.
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I say P-Buch because with no Arron Glenn and such little depth that was a huge gamble. The reason for getting rid of Glenn was to get younger which is semi-understandable but replacing him with junk is not. As for Babin yes we mayhave given up too much for him but at least he can fill the spot without being a total flake and doesnt let people walk into the endzone.
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i dont understand why the last one is on there. It should be Passing on a OL for REggie Bush. If we draft Bush we have made a huge mistake bc he still cant run if the DL and blitzing LB/S can tackle him before he takes 3 steps.
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I went with pbuc but an "all of the above" choice would be better.
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Funny how you give Carr a pass on four years, but not TJ after 3/4 of a season. The front of the jersey says Texans, not the Carrs. I was patient for three years with Carr. I would hope that Texan's fans would be as patient with others, especially those that will stand up for Carr no matter what.
No you missunderstand. I am not saying to can TJ. My point was if you needed to add depth and youth to the line but you wanted to sit the guy to learn the system, thats fine. But why would you spend a first round pick on a DT. He's no Sapp. DT are easily found in the second day.

what we needed was a good tackling, covering, sacking linebacker. You know, DJ.
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No you missunderstand. I am not saying to can TJ. My point was if you needed to add depth and youth to the line but you wanted to sit the guy to learn the system, thats fine. But why would you spend a first round pick on a DT. He's no Sapp. DT are easily found in the second day.

what we needed was a good tackling, covering, sacking linebacker. You know, DJ.
I do not think you are saying to can TJ, but I do not understand how you can say DJ would have made us better out of the box as he would have learned much like TJ to play essentially a new role in our defensive scheme.

I loved DJ in college and believe he will have a very good career. I also happen to believe TJ will have a very good career as well.

To me this is neutral pick that has come no where near playing itself out on who is the winner or loser. I myself fault Cass less on the TJ pick as the season progresses.
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I do not think you are saying to can TJ, but I do not understand how you can say DJ would have made us better out of the box as he would have learned much like TJ to play essentially a new role in our defensive scheme.

I loved DJ in college and believe he will have a very good career. I also happen to believe TJ will have a very good career as well.

To me this is neutral pick that has come no where near playing itself out on who is the winner or loser. I myself fault Cass less on the TJ pick as the season progresses.
first off, we'd be better right away because DJ would be starting, opposed to TJ, who is a very expensive bench warmer.

it was such a stupid move, we arent a good enough team to be drafting backups in the first round.

then it comes to quality of player, a 2 time all-american and bednarik award winner vs. Travis Johnson, with 30 tackles and 3 sacks his senior year (who expects GREATER production from a DT in the NFL than he came close to producing in college?)
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first off, we'd be better right away because DJ would be starting, opposed to TJ, who is a very expensive bench warmer.

it was such a stupid move, we arent a good enough team to be drafting backups in the first round.

then it comes to quality of player, a 2 time all-american and bednarik award winner vs. Travis Johnson, with 30 tackles and 3 sacks his senior year (who expects GREATER production from a DT in the NFL than he came close to producing in college?)
Where was DJ going to start?
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