Worst off-season move so far? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

stevo3883 · 12-05-2005

I'm leaning towards the Buchanon trade. terrible, just terrible. it makes no sense. The worst defense in the league, trying desperatly to get rid of this guy... doesnt that give you some clues on his play?

maybe this off-season, we should pick up ahmad carroll, I hear he has major upside! we can cut d-rob as he is too old and his contract isnt cap friendly (we need a nice big 10+million cap buffer zone, incase we want to release AJ to make room for Bradford's new 7 yr $55million contract thats in the works)

Pbuc on 1 guy, Carroll on the other. 2 shut down corners... I would be in heaven

MorKnolle · 12-05-2005

In attempt to turn this back into a more serious thread, I'd rate the Babin move as the worst. I can't say for sure yet that drafting Babin at all was a mistake, but trading off 3 (or 4?) picks to get him when he almost for sure would have been there for our next pick was horrible. We essentially gave the Titans four picks for us to gain nothing, and we had to pay Babin a little more as a first round pick than we would have after taking him in the second round.

F-minus67 · 12-05-2005

I'd say releasing Glenn was the worst, we can all see that he was the leader in the secondary. And now we know that P-Buc doesn't have his head in the game.

MorKnolle · 12-05-2005

All of these deals have been pretty rotten, and I was really hoping for DJ last year. Greenwood did get a very small signing bonus ($800k I think) though so we could cut him with little or no adverse effect ($600k cap hit next year) if we decided to do so.

Bullfan · 12-05-2005

How about declaring Wand unathletic and signing Victor Riley to replace him?

The O-line has been playing s-o-o much better this season with out Wand:sarcasm

JDizzle · 12-05-2005

I voted for the Babin pick. Giving up that many picks in such a deep class didn't seem like a good idea, even in the moments immidiately after it happened. I felt at the time we could have gotten a TE and an OLB capable of starting - or at least producing and contributing. It's an even worse move now since Babin hasn't done squat and Joppru's career as a football player isn't looking too bright.

**Kaiser Toro** · 12-05-2005

Boselli and Carr could be nominees as well.

**infantrycak** · 12-05-2005

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Originally Posted by MorKnolle

All of these deals have been pretty rotten, and I was really hoping for DJ last year. Greenwood did get a very small signing bonus ($800k I think) though so we could cut him with little or no adverse effect ($600k cap hit next year) if we decided to do so.

Greenwood got a $7 mil signing bonus. He isn't going anywhere for a couple more years at least.

Honch Delgado · 12-05-2005

Gotta go with Babin with Buchanan a close 2nd. Babin was supposed to be the solution to our inept pass rush but to give up 3 picks to get him, he needs to put up big numbers and plays to justify it.

MorKnolle · 12-05-2005

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Originally Posted by infantrycak

Greenwood got a $7 mil signing bonus. He isn't going anywhere for a couple more years at least.

I must have been misinformed then. I was surprised that a $22 million salary would only have a $800k signing bonus.

12-05-2005

wow, I look at all these moves listed and can't fathom Casserly being back here next year with so many bad picks on his watch.

Exascor · 12-05-2005

I went with the Buchanon move. He was a known problem that hadn't lived up to his talent. We give up 2 first day picks...brilliant. That said, I'd bet that Hoke had more than a little influence on that decision.

A minor correction: We didn't release Foley. He was a FA that decided to move on like Posey. Still sucks that our staff couldn't see what he could do when not in a Fangio D.

V Man · 12-05-2005

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Originally Posted by MorKnolle

In attempt to turn this back into a more serious thread, I'd rate the Babin move as the worst. I can't say for sure yet that drafting Babin at all was a mistake, but trading off 3 (or 4?) picks to get him when he almost for sure would have been there for our next pick was horrible. We essentially gave the Titans four picks for us to gain nothing, and we had to pay Babin a little more as a first round pick than we would have after taking him in the second round.

We could have gotten 3 solid players (possibly 2 starters TE and O-line with smart picks), but we got a project player who doesn't even start.

MorKnolle · 12-05-2005

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Originally Posted by V Man

We could have gotten 3 solid players (possibly 2 starters TE and O-line with smart picks), but we got a project player who doesn't even start.

And the worst part is we could have gotten that project player with our second round pick anyways without having to trade anything off.

V Man · 12-05-2005

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Originally Posted by MorKnolle

And the worst part is we could have gotten that project player with our second round pick anyways without having to trade anything off.

Don't think I would've taken him there either. Would rather have had Ben Troupe there.

stevo3883 · 12-05-2005

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Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

Boselli and Carr could be nominees as well.

only room for 10 options. I could go all day with things that didnt pan out.

taking Gaffney 33rd overall
signing Todd Wade big contract
Drafting Carr is iffy... it was either him or harrington
taking bennie joppru over jason witten
signing riley
keeping bradford with guys like burress & muhammed out there

the bad moves easily outweight the good ones

**edo783** · 12-05-2005

PBuc because he really can't play and Babin can play, just doesn't seem to be worth the number of picks.

**Wharton** · 12-05-2005

I voted for the Sharper release as the biggest screwup due to the lack of leadership now on the squad. But, all the options here qualify as bonehead moves, you can pretty much take you pick.

Nice list of screwups by the front office. Given this list, JJ may be right, in the fact that Charlie is more to blame the Capers. But, personally I would like to see both men go.

HJam72 · 12-05-2005

I'm hoping that a new coaching staff will cause some of these people to play better, but I still wish Casserly would take a hike. I voted for the Buchannon deal because he's SUCH A SERIOUS BUST, but those deals are all terrible.

Sarg01 · 12-05-2005

I went with the DJ pass, since that would have in whole or in part mitigated two of your other blunders - releasing Sharper and signing Greenwood. In fact, at the time, I took the Sharper move as a telegraph from Cass that DJ or Thomas Davis were locks as our draft choice.

I did consider the Glenn pretty seriously, because that was a double screw up as well. However, our front 7 were already kind of a joke before the offseason.

View Poll Results: Texan's worst off-season move/blunder?
Releasing Aaron Glenn	9	6.12%
Releasing Jamie Sharper	11	7.48%
Releasing Steve Foley	0	0%
Trading 2nd & 3rd RD picks for Phillip Buchanon	55	37.41%
Trading 2nd 3rd 4th RD picks to draft Jason Babin 27th overall	27	18.37%
Using 2nd round pick on Tony Hollings	9	6.12%
Giving Marcus Coleman a contract extension	4	2.72%
Signing Morlon Greenwood to a huge contract	6	4.08%
Passing on Derrick Johnson in the draft	16	10.88%
predicts future not drafting Reggie Bush	10	6.80%
Voters: 147. You may not vote on this poll

12-05-2005	#1
stevo3883 All Pro Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: h-town Age: 33 Posts: 733 Rep Power: 8	Worst off-season move so far? I'm leaning towards the Buchanon trade. terrible, just terrible. it makes no sense. The worst defense in the league, trying desperatly to get rid of this guy... doesnt that give you some clues on his play? maybe this off-season, we should pick up ahmad carroll, I hear he has major upside! we can cut d-rob as he is too old and his contract isnt cap friendly (we need a nice big 10+million cap buffer zone, incase we want to release AJ to make room for Bradford's new 7 yr $55million contract thats in the works) Pbuc on 1 guy, Carroll on the other. 2 shut down corners... I would be in heaven

12-05-2005	#3
F-minus67 Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Middletown,CT Age: 26 Posts: 1,070 Rep Power: 10	I'd say releasing Glenn was the worst, we can all see that he was the leader in the secondary. And now we know that P-Buc doesn't have his head in the game. __________________ "Democracy is not for the people." - Judge Dredd

12-05-2005	#7
Kaiser Toro Native Mod Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Straight Outta Austin Age: 43 Posts: 15,896 Rep Power: 20164	Boselli and Carr could be nominees as well. __________________ Texans 2012: Kidz II Men

12-05-2005	#12
Exascor Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Atascocita Posts: 1,151 Rep Power: 4938	I went with the Buchanon move. He was a known problem that hadn't lived up to his talent. We give up 2 first day picks...brilliant. That said, I'd bet that Hoke had more than a little influence on that decision. A minor correction: We didn't release Foley. He was a FA that decided to move on like Posey. Still sucks that our staff couldn't see what he could do when not in a Fangio D. __________________ I like you but...if zombies start to chase us I'm tripping you.

12-05-2005	#2
MorKnolle Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,210 Rep Power: 0	In attempt to turn this back into a more serious thread, I'd rate the Babin move as the worst. I can't say for sure yet that drafting Babin at all was a mistake, but trading off 3 (or 4?) picks to get him when he almost for sure would have been there for our next pick was horrible. We essentially gave the Titans four picks for us to gain nothing, and we had to pay Babin a little more as a first round pick than we would have after taking him in the second round.

12-05-2005	#5
Bullfan Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 28 Rep Power: 0	How about declaring Wand unathletic and signing Victor Riley to replace him? The O-line has been playing s-o-o much better this season with out Wand:sarcasm

12-05-2005	#6
JDizzle Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,842 Rep Power: 1891	I voted for the Babin pick. Giving up that many picks in such a deep class didn't seem like a good idea, even in the moments immidiately after it happened. I felt at the time we could have gotten a TE and an OLB capable of starting - or at least producing and contributing. It's an even worse move now since Babin hasn't done squat and Joppru's career as a football player isn't looking too bright.

12-05-2005	#9
Honch Delgado Veteran Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 27 Posts: 123 Rep Power: 0	Gotta go with Babin with Buchanan a close 2nd. Babin was supposed to be the solution to our inept pass rush but to give up 3 picks to get him, he needs to put up big numbers and plays to justify it.

12-05-2005	#11
SESupergenius Guest Posts: n/a	wow, I look at all these moves listed and can't fathom Casserly being back here next year with so many bad picks on his watch.

12-05-2005	#17
edo783 Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, again. Posts: 7,700 Rep Power: 4640	PBuc because he really can't play and Babin can play, just doesn't seem to be worth the number of picks. __________________ De Oppresso Liber

12-05-2005	#18
Wharton Site Contributor Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 47 Posts: 817 Rep Power: 10	I voted for the Sharper release as the biggest screwup due to the lack of leadership now on the squad. But, all the options here qualify as bonehead moves, you can pretty much take you pick. Nice list of screwups by the front office. Given this list, JJ may be right, in the fact that Charlie is more to blame the Capers. But, personally I would like to see both men go.

12-05-2005	#19
HJam72 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Over here. Age: 40 Posts: 10,475 Rep Power: 18004	I'm hoping that a new coaching staff will cause some of these people to play better, but I still wish Casserly would take a hike. I voted for the Buchannon deal because he's SUCH A SERIOUS BUST, but those deals are all terrible.

12-05-2005	#20
Sarg01 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 1,152 Rep Power: 11	I went with the DJ pass, since that would have in whole or in part mitigated two of your other blunders - releasing Sharper and signing Greenwood. In fact, at the time, I took the Sharper move as a telegraph from Cass that DJ or Thomas Davis were locks as our draft choice. I did consider the Glenn pretty seriously, because that was a double screw up as well. However, our front 7 were already kind of a joke before the offseason.

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