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**utahmark** · 12-04-2005

with aj unable to consisantly catch a football i would have to say d.davis is our best offensive player. he's probably better than anyone on the defense except for robinson.

so to my point.. is the best way to start fixing this team is to replace your best player on offense and maybe 2cnd best player on the team. thats not the way i would go about getting better but i know some of you disagree.

Napa Auto Parts · 12-04-2005

Stat wise he is our second best player Potential wise its

AJ
B-Rob
DD
and thats were its stops i hope he keeps having good games that way we can get at least a 3rd rounder for him.

**Kaiser Toro** · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by markbeth

with aj unable to consisantly catch a football i would have to say d.davis is our best offensive player. he's probably better than anyone on the defense except for robinson.

so to my point.. is the best way to start fixing this team is to replace your best player on offense and maybe 2cnd best player on the team. thats not the way i would go about getting better but i know some of you disagree.

We are getting our money's worth with Davis. He is a value.

Grid · 12-04-2005

I agree 100%. Davis is a player.. is he the best RB in the NFL? no.. is Bush the best RB in the NFL? no.

No matter how sure you may think you are about the abilities of Bush.. he is still a risk.. a 50/50 chance. And there is even less chance that he will be alot better than DD.

We can get alot of value for that #1 pick... there are teams out there that NEED a good young prospect at RB like Bush.. we arent one of them. We dont need to take a chance to replace a player who is not a weakness.

Trade down.. get a few more good picks.. grab us some Olinemen..a TE.. a CB.

**utahmark** · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by Napa Auto Parts

Stat wise he is our second best player Potential wise its

AJ
B-Rob
DD
and thats were its stops i hope he keeps having good games that way we can get at least a 3rd rounder for him.

this team is full of potential. ill go by what i see on the field.

Napa Auto Parts · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by Grid

I agree 100%. Davis is a player.. is he the best RB in the NFL? no.. is Bush the best RB in the NFL? no.

No matter how sure you may think you are about the abilities of Bush.. he is still a risk.. a 50/50 chance. And there is even less chance that he will be alot better than DD.

We can get alot of value for that #1 pick... there are teams out there that NEED a good young prospect at RB like Bush.. we arent one of them. We dont need to take a chance to replace a player who is not a weakness.

Trade down.. get a few more good picks.. grab us some Olinemen..a TE.. a CB.

Every players is a chance? why not stop drafting to avoid that if we arent gonna take chances weve missed on some 1st rounders but ide say 1 out four aint bad.

run-david-run · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by Napa Auto Parts

Every players is a chance? why not stop drafting to avoid that if we arent gonna take chances weve missed on some 1st rounders but ide say 1 out four aint bad.

How many O-linemen have we drafted in the first round? Exaclty, its time

**Runner** · 12-04-2005

Our beat offensive player is a wide receiver who sadly can't call the plays that gets him 10-12 chances a game. DD may have been our best o player today, but his running performance for most of the year has left something to be desired.

**utahmark** · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by Runner

Our beat offensive player is a wide receiver who sadly can't call the plays that gets him 10-12 chances a game. DD may have been our best o player today, but his running performance for most of the year has left something to be desired.

i dont agree. aj has more potential but when we need him to make a big play more times than not this year he has come up short. d davis is the only offensive player we have been able to count on this year.

**Runner** · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by markbeth

i dont agree. aj has more potential but when we need him to make a big play more times than not this year he has come up short. d davis is the only offensive player we have been able to count on this year.

I can see your viewpoint, but DD (along with Carr of course) is the only offensive player that gets a consistent chance to touch the ball. Last week he had a couple of 12-15 yard runs out of 26 or so rushes (I don't want to look up the exact number). Excepting those two carries, he averaged 2.3 yards on the other 23 (approx) carries. That just isn't good enough.

Dre needs opportunities to catch the ball, and he gets the fewest looks of any premium receiver I know of in the league. It has been discussesd ad nauseum on this board why that is.

I have just one question - if you had an average NFL team and could take one player from the Texan offense, would it be a) Dre b) DD c) other?

**utahmark** · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by Runner

I can see your viewpoint, but DD (along with Carr of course) is the only offensive player that gets a consistent chance to touch the ball. Last week he had a couple of 12-15 yard runs out of 26 or so rushes (I don't want to look up the exact number). Excepting those two carries, he averaged 2.3 yards on the other 23 (approx) carries. That just isn't good enough.

Dre needs opportunities to catch the ball, and he gets the fewest looks of any premium receiver I know of in the league. It has been discussesd ad nauseum on this board why that is.

I have just one question - if you had an average NFL team and could take one player from the Texan offense, would it be a) Dre b) DD c) other?

i would take dre. but not from what i have seen on the field this year.

HJam72 · 12-04-2005

I would take Victor Riley.

TexanExile · 12-04-2005

Hate to say it, but it's true. AJ had some big drops early in the season, then got hurt, then has had some big drops since coming back--the by-his-lonesome drop in the end zone today was a catch that a Pro Bowler should make. Nice outing against the Rams, but the big picture just isn't as pretty this time around.

Doesn't matter, though. Not this year. He's still going to be the man around here for a long, long time. He'll be so much better in '06, when healthier and when put into an offensive scheme that (God willing) can use him to full advantage--plus, even a modest improvement on the O-line will let him run more productive routes. Hard to make a huge name for yourself as a WR when your QB has to release to SOMEWHERE after 2 seconds or risk getting killed....and when your QB tends to radar-lock onto that chosen receiver immediately after the snap.

And maybe, just maybe, a legitimate other target could take a little more heat off him? Not a knock on Gaffney--more a prayer for a real TE.

I continue to be baffled at how rarely we're seeing Derick Armstrong, though. Sure, he's dropped a couple too, but the dude really can make plays on 3rd down.

**Runner** · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by markbeth

i would take dre. but not from what i have seen on the field this year.

I agree, for whatever reason it is that AJ isn't exploited right now.

**Runner** · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by HJam72

I would take Victor Riley.

Who will be a starter no matter what. I must be missing something.

Ranger · 12-04-2005

One stat you need to know:

Since Dominak Davis has started for this team in 2003 against the Jets, he has counted for over 62% of this teams total offense.

Case closed.

Grid · 12-04-2005

yes but if we drafted Reggie Bush.. he would count for over 73% of this teams total offense.. isnt that exciting!

...where is that sarcasm smiley..

Hervoyel · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by Ranger

One stat you need to know:

Since Dominak Davis has started for this team in 2003 against the Jets, he has counted for over 62% of this teams total offense.

Case closed.

I'd go with Andre Johnson for a similar reason. While accounting for 62% of this teams offense is impressive one has to consider that since Domanick Davis as started for this team in 2003 against the Jets this team is 11-28. Since he accounted for the majority of the offense during that time I'd go with AJ instead of DD.

rmartin65 · 12-05-2005

I'd pick Dre. He's made some amazing plays.

MorKnolle · 12-05-2005

In terms of total ability and potential I'd go with Andre any day, but Davis has been a more consistent performer this year, although I blame much of that on the offensive play calling. I wish they'd start using Johnson as more of a star WR than as a diversion to get others open.

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Ranger Veteran Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tidehaven Age: 29 Posts: 105 Rep Power: 9	One stat you need to know: Since Dominak Davis has started for this team in 2003 against the Jets, he has counted for over 62% of this teams total offense. Case closed. __________________ RANGER GIT-R-DONE

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utahmark markbeth Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: utah Age: 43 Posts: 1,914 Rep Power: 5935	best player on offense with aj unable to consisantly catch a football i would have to say d.davis is our best offensive player. he's probably better than anyone on the defense except for robinson. so to my point.. is the best way to start fixing this team is to replace your best player on offense and maybe 2cnd best player on the team. thats not the way i would go about getting better but i know some of you disagree. __________________ formally known as markbeth

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Napa Auto Parts Hall of Fame Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston Age: 35 Posts: 1,186 Rep Power: 15	Stat wise he is our second best player Potential wise its AJ B-Rob DD and thats were its stops i hope he keeps having good games that way we can get at least a 3rd rounder for him.

12-04-2005	#4
Grid Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,299 Rep Power: 2271	I agree 100%. Davis is a player.. is he the best RB in the NFL? no.. is Bush the best RB in the NFL? no. No matter how sure you may think you are about the abilities of Bush.. he is still a risk.. a 50/50 chance. And there is even less chance that he will be alot better than DD. We can get alot of value for that #1 pick... there are teams out there that NEED a good young prospect at RB like Bush.. we arent one of them. We dont need to take a chance to replace a player who is not a weakness. Trade down.. get a few more good picks.. grab us some Olinemen..a TE.. a CB.

12-04-2005	#8
Runner Hubcap Diamond Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,436 Rep Power: 6068	Our beat offensive player is a wide receiver who sadly can't call the plays that gets him 10-12 chances a game. DD may have been our best o player today, but his running performance for most of the year has left something to be desired.

12-04-2005	#12
HJam72 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Over here. Age: 40 Posts: 10,521 Rep Power: 18935	I would take Victor Riley.

12-04-2005	#13
TexanExile Too Far Away Join Date: May 2004 Location: Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 1,568 Rep Power: 1757	Hate to say it, but it's true. AJ had some big drops early in the season, then got hurt, then has had some big drops since coming back--the by-his-lonesome drop in the end zone today was a catch that a Pro Bowler should make. Nice outing against the Rams, but the big picture just isn't as pretty this time around. Doesn't matter, though. Not this year. He's still going to be the man around here for a long, long time. He'll be so much better in '06, when healthier and when put into an offensive scheme that (God willing) can use him to full advantage--plus, even a modest improvement on the O-line will let him run more productive routes. Hard to make a huge name for yourself as a WR when your QB has to release to SOMEWHERE after 2 seconds or risk getting killed....and when your QB tends to radar-lock onto that chosen receiver immediately after the snap. And maybe, just maybe, a legitimate other target could take a little more heat off him? Not a knock on Gaffney--more a prayer for a real TE. I continue to be baffled at how rarely we're seeing Derick Armstrong, though. Sure, he's dropped a couple too, but the dude really can make plays on 3rd down.

12-05-2005	#19
rmartin65 I'm Score Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 23 Posts: 7,508 Rep Power: 20632	I'd pick Dre. He's made some amazing plays.

12-05-2005	#20
MorKnolle Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,210 Rep Power: 0	In terms of total ability and potential I'd go with Andre any day, but Davis has been a more consistent performer this year, although I blame much of that on the offensive play calling. I wish they'd start using Johnson as more of a star WR than as a diversion to get others open.

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