Whats up with Jerome Mathis? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

rmartin65 · 12-04-2005

The last couple of games, Mathis has not had really any good returns. He averaged about 28.5 against the Rams, and only 28.4 today against the Ravens. Is it because other teams are realizing he can take it back, or is he just not doing well, or is it the blocking? Just want to hear what you think.

**Kaiser Toro** · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by rmartin65

The last couple of games, Mathis has not had really any good returns. He averaged about 28.5 against the Rams, and only 28.4 today against the Ravens. Is it because other teams are realizing he can take it back, or is he just not doing well, or is it the blocking? Just want to hear what you think.

Since he is from Virginia, it is my take that he may have had a bunch of family up there and was not concentrating.

rmartin65 · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

Since he is from Virginia, it is my take that he may have had a bunch of family up there and was not concentrating.

I did not think of that.

Coach C. · 12-04-2005

He had good returns today on the kickoff squad, but he is not a good punt return man. He said before the draft that he was never overly comfortable on punt returns. I think training Morency to do punt returns would be a worthwhile endeavor.

**eriadoc** · 12-04-2005

The kick return game just has a certain ebb and flow to it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't go as well. If you look at the returns he broke out for long gains, they weren't a lane created by the blocking; they were a product of his playmaking skill. He changed field and danced and darted more than just finding a crease and hitting it. That is what makes him such an exciting player, but it's not going to be there every game.

HJam72 · 12-04-2005

Mathis was successfull at starting toward one sideline, sucking the defenders in, and then racing to the opposite sideline. I couldn't watch the game today, but maybe they're just not falling for that anymore and maybe he's not that good at running it the normal way. I would first get him off of punt return duty and see if that helps the situation. The Morency idea works for me.

Napa Auto Parts · 12-04-2005

Mathis is a rookie you can only expect so much from him.

**Texans_Chick** · 12-04-2005

Some thoughts on Mathis.

1. It looks like he was trying too hard.

2. He is not comfortable returning punts.

3. And he hasn't had much experience doing it in open air stadiums. The wind looked pretty wicked there too.

Grid · 12-04-2005

he made some rookie mistakes... he isnt gonna bring one to the house every game.

despite his troubles against the Ravens.. he still had a couple great returns.

Hes gonna be a great player for us for a long time.

Jerry · 12-04-2005

Only 28.5? Last time I checked, that was still pretty good. Players aren't "on" all the time.

run-david-run · 12-04-2005

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Originally Posted by Coach C.

He had good returns today on the kickoff squad, but he is not a good punt return man. He said before the draft that he was never overly comfortable on punt returns. I think training Morency to do punt returns would be a worthwhile endeavor.

He had a 20yd punt return and he almost took one back, just pulled down by the last guy.

**edo783** · 12-04-2005

He's a rookie. Just give him time.

Fiddy · 12-05-2005

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Originally Posted by Jerry

Only 28.5? Last time I checked, that was still pretty good. Players aren't "on" all the time.

Yeah 28.5 is acually really good. People now have high standards for him...

**Malloy** · 12-05-2005

Dispite fumbling a bit, Mathis did real good. Returning punts is tought and often associated with funbles. As a rookie one can only expect him to make these rookie mistakes. Dispite the fumbling, he DID manage a rather impressive yardage on the punt returns. Rookie mistake, he'll get better once he builds up his confidence with the punt return role.

HJam72 · 12-05-2005

Returning punts is too dangerous. Let's take Buchannon off the IR list and make him do it.

BigBull17 · 12-05-2005

The wind was also blowing strangly.

Texas · 12-05-2005

DeAngelo Hall has done the same thing. He has good days and bad days. Good returns and bad ones. Noone will ever be able to break every return for a long gain

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rmartin65 · 12-05-2005

Yeah, I got used to seeing him with a +30 average, that I forgot 30 yards is great.

FILO_girl · 12-05-2005

Mathis is doing pretty well IMO, he just had an off game.

12-05-2005

It takes more agility to return punts than it does on kickoffs, on punts you normally have to make a couple of guys miss to take it back whereas on kickoffs its normally one move and go... The reason i say this is because mathis isn't the kinda guy that makes people miss, he flat runs past people and they misread his speed and take bad angles

12-04-2005	#1
rmartin65 I'm Score Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 23 Posts: 7,499 Rep Power: 20041	Whats up with Jerome Mathis? The last couple of games, Mathis has not had really any good returns. He averaged about 28.5 against the Rams, and only 28.4 today against the Ravens. Is it because other teams are realizing he can take it back, or is he just not doing well, or is it the blocking? Just want to hear what you think.

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Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,964 Rep Power: 23137	Some thoughts. Some thoughts on Mathis. 1. It looks like he was trying too hard. 2. He is not comfortable returning punts. 3. And he hasn't had much experience doing it in open air stadiums. The wind looked pretty wicked there too.

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edo783 Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, again. Posts: 7,700 Rep Power: 4640	He's a rookie. Just give him time. __________________ De Oppresso Liber

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12-04-2005	#4
Coach C. Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SE Houston Posts: 1,422 Rep Power: 10	He had good returns today on the kickoff squad, but he is not a good punt return man. He said before the draft that he was never overly comfortable on punt returns. I think training Morency to do punt returns would be a worthwhile endeavor.

12-04-2005	#5
eriadoc Texan-American Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 15,362 Rep Power: 69629	The kick return game just has a certain ebb and flow to it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't go as well. If you look at the returns he broke out for long gains, they weren't a lane created by the blocking; they were a product of his playmaking skill. He changed field and danced and darted more than just finding a crease and hitting it. That is what makes him such an exciting player, but it's not going to be there every game.

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HJam72 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Over here. Age: 40 Posts: 10,472 Rep Power: 18004	Mathis was successfull at starting toward one sideline, sucking the defenders in, and then racing to the opposite sideline. I couldn't watch the game today, but maybe they're just not falling for that anymore and maybe he's not that good at running it the normal way. I would first get him off of punt return duty and see if that helps the situation. The Morency idea works for me.

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Napa Auto Parts Hall of Fame Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston Age: 35 Posts: 1,186 Rep Power: 15	Mathis is a rookie you can only expect so much from him.

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Grid Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,299 Rep Power: 2271	he made some rookie mistakes... he isnt gonna bring one to the house every game. despite his troubles against the Ravens.. he still had a couple great returns. Hes gonna be a great player for us for a long time.

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Jerry Veteran Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 25 Posts: 229 Rep Power: 0	Only 28.5? Last time I checked, that was still pretty good. Players aren't "on" all the time.

12-05-2005	#14
Malloy Site Contributor Join Date: May 2005 Location: CPH Age: 38 Posts: 5,335 Rep Power: 4056	Dispite fumbling a bit, Mathis did real good. Returning punts is tought and often associated with funbles. As a rookie one can only expect him to make these rookie mistakes. Dispite the fumbling, he DID manage a rather impressive yardage on the punt returns. Rookie mistake, he'll get better once he builds up his confidence with the punt return role.

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BigBull17 Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2005 Location: Alvin Age: 32 Posts: 4,943 Rep Power: 4281	The wind was also blowing strangly.

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Texas Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Clear Lake Age: 24 Posts: 1,030 Rep Power: 9	DeAngelo Hall has done the same thing. He has good days and bad days. Good returns and bad ones. Noone will ever be able to break every return for a long gain .

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FILO_girl I'm not here Join Date: May 2004 Location: HOU-finally moved in the big city Posts: 1,676 Rep Power: 62	Mathis is doing pretty well IMO, he just had an off game.

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real Guest Posts: n/a	It takes more agility to return punts than it does on kickoffs, on punts you normally have to make a couple of guys miss to take it back whereas on kickoffs its normally one move and go... The reason i say this is because mathis isn't the kinda guy that makes people miss, he flat runs past people and they misread his speed and take bad angles

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