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Old 12-05-2005   #41
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Vinny coming out of HS and on my way to TAMU I ran a much 4.3 fourty time. But that does not matter, I agree with you on this one.
I probably benched more than our strength coach has ever benched but that doesn't make me better suited for the position. Different people have different opinions....it doesn't matter what you did or didn't do. If you have a good eye, know what you are talking about and are consistant you have a credible opinion. The other stuff is meaningless to some extent.
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A message board is a mosaic of thought...and some folks will bring more credible positions than others (one just needs to be patient and get a feel for the individuals over time - kinda figure out who to pay less attention to as you settle in), but we all learn a little something from someone else's point of view. I know that some of the folks here that I have fully disagreed with have turned me around a time or two myself.
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And you have seen Carr light it up on a regular basis? Has he lived up to his contract? Has he tweaked his game to compensate for his deficiencies? Do you think he is a leader on this team? We pay this guy a lot of money to perform to a certain standard in the NFL. If that standard is not met, finger pointing will occur in the locker room.

Carr haters want to help our sickly QB make it by renegotiating his contract and give him the help he desperatley needs. Carr lovers want to resign him over his market value and then expect to sign the type of players that will help him. It is the Carr lovers who need to tone the volume down.
Carr living up to his contract is a two way street. Has Cass and company put the best most competitive team on the field? No.

What deficiencies? When he's rushed he runs, when no one is open (and that is often) he throws to Davis, when the guy is open he throws them the ball for the WR to dropp it. I dont want to hear how he can't read the D. He reads it just fine, he is going to get sacked, he knows it and he is dealing with it.

I dont know any Carr lover that thinks he shouldnt renegotiate his contract. Absolutly he should. That money could go a long way to signing sub par below average talent. I am sure there are other Greenwoods out there that we could over pay and then hype. Maybe this year we will give away our whole draft to the Titans for Pacman Jones.
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Carr living up to his contract is a two way street. Has Cass and company put the best most competitive team on the field? No.

What deficiencies? When he's rushed he runs, when no one is open (and that is often) he throws to Davis, when the guy is open he throws them the ball for the WR to dropp it. I dont want to hear how he can't read the D. He reads it just fine, he is going to get sacked, he knows it and he is dealing with it.

I dont know any Carr lover that thinks he shouldnt renegotiate his contract. Absolutly he should. That money could go a long way to signing sub par below average talent. I am sure there are other Greenwoods out there that we could over pay and then hype. Maybe this year we will give away our whole draft to the Titans for Pacman Jones.
One deficiency that I see is his exciting duck and cover move. I would like to see how he is developing his footwork in the pocket, maybe working with the DB's would help or watching endless film on Brady. He has side stepped some would be tacklers in the last couple of games (AJ's blown ctach was one of them), but this is where I feel he could use some serious improvement.
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As someone who has actually been with the players and around the players in their environment, I am somewhat surprised to read often of this hypothetical emnity that exists between Carr and the rest of the team. He is highly paid, so what? So is half the locker room.

Most of the players have a lot of respect for him, and I only say most because I haven't polled them individually and wouldn't want to use the all-inclusive. Read this morning's Chronicle if you want a glimpse regarding the increasingly prevalent thinking in the locker room.
You rightly comment that it is a hypotheitcal, but one that does play out and is the rule rather than the exception.

If you have relationships in the locker room and they say that it is not playing out that way then I it would be the exception and I am ok with that.
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So why has Brady looked a little more ... well, mortal this year? .
I hate to rain little story/analogy this but Brady is on pace to have one of his better statistical years and is on pace to top most of his best passing numbers.

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Brady is the perfect example of a good QB who had the privilege to play with and for one of the best, most well-rounded, intelligently-coached teams in the league. Love or hate the Patriots, you cannot deny the skill their coaching staff demonstrated.

So why has Brady looked a little more ... well, mortal this year? ... Two of his three coaches leave, they lose a player or two to free agency and about seven more key vets to injury. But damn that, Brady is to blame. Trade him, immediately: the Patriots need to be back in the Super Bowl.
And through all of that adversity, they sit atop of their division. Maybe we need a coach for tackling adversity?
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A message board is a mosaic of thought...and some folks will bring more credible positions than others (one just needs to be patient and get a feel for the individuals over time - kinda figure out who to pay less attention to as you settle in), but we all learn a little something from someone else's point of view. I know that some of the folks here that I have fully disagreed with have turned me around a time or two myself.
Yea, you have called me stupid a time or two. Not the acctual word stupid but have insinuated.
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stupid is as stupid does I guess.
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As someone who has actually been with the players and around the players in their environment, I am somewhat surprised to read often of this hypothetical emnity that exists between Carr and the rest of the team. He is highly paid, so what? So is half the locker room. I hope that his contract is negotiated in a way so as to benefit the team, but it's the NFL, QBs will always be paid the most. Everyone knows and accepts this.

Most of the players have a lot of respect for him, and I only say most because I haven't polled them individually and wouldn't want to use the all-inclusive. Read this morning's Chronicle if you want a glimpse regarding the increasingly prevalent thinking in the locker room.
Perhaps you could introduce me to some of them sometime.
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I hope that some of you are reading the endless amount of crap that you are typeing. It seems that one of your major points is that Super Dave, as you call him, makes too much money. Well even though he does earn his money (he get's hit repeatedly), who out there is going to do better in this system? Anybody that comes in here as an NFL QB is going to demand big money i don't care how good you think they are. That's just the way it is. Any QB that has a really good OL, running game, and and great defense is going to win. Come on guys let's be real here, Peyton would be possibly a little better in this system FOR A WHILE, but after taking a big time a$! whoppens out there every week he would fold up too. With that said, Tell me WHO YOU GONNA GET? AND HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD COST?
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Lets put this season and pretty much the teams whole existance into perspective. How many games has the D blown over the last four years? Countless. How many leads have been built only to lose in the second half? How many times has the D given up three touchdowns in the first quarter? Yes they had there moments, like in pittsburg when glenne single handedly won that game. Those moments though are few and far between.

We want to win games we need a killer D. The Steelers have been good for decades cause of a D that would rip your head off. Big Ben would be nothing without a great D to support him. I know great D doesnt just grow on trees but the Texan organization has shown 0 common since on how to put a competitive team out on the field. Fangio is a crappy coach. Always has been always will be. He has never been sucessfull in any place he has ever been.

It has taken the Colts five years to undo what Fangio did there. So how long will it take the Texans?
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All you have to do is look at the Bears to see what a good defense will do for a team. O-line isn't all of our woes by any streatch of the imagination.
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I have been reading posts here for quite awhile and finally decided to register and post my own. I can't believe how ignorant some of you are when it comes to David Carr. Did Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw and, oh yeah, Tom Brady win all their Super Bowls on their own? NO! They each had really solid defenses, quality receivers, a good running game and oh yeah, an OFFENSIVE LINE!

If you think just because he was your number one draft choice he should have an "S" on his chest and wear a cape you don't deserve to have a quarterback like David Carr.

You sound just like the Tampa Bay Bucs fans in the mid 80s with a quarterback by the name of Steve Young. Everyone blamed him and look what happened...the team let him get away and he ended up having a Hall of Fame career.

Will the same happen to David Carr? I doubt it. But, he sure as heck doesn't need all this grief from a bunch of armchair knowitalls with 20/20 hindsight.

All the same, go ahead, get rid of David Carr. Bring in Matt Leinart and watch the same thing happen while Carr flourishes with another team.

Or, do the smart thing...draft Reggie Bush and build an offensive line that can stop a rush by any team stronger than Sisters of the Poor.

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If the QB throws the ball and the receiver misses the ball that was thrown right at him, it's the QB's fault.

If the QB gets sacked because the front line can't protect him, it's the QB's fault.

If the Texan defense can't keep the opposing offense off the field, it's the QB's fault.

If the Texans can't win the ballgame when the Texans go down the field and get the go ahead FG and the Texans defense can't hold them, well, you guessed it. It's the QB's fault.

Pertaining to this sorry assed QB that most everybody in here is talking about probably isn't the problem. He could be part of the problem directly or indirectly. As it goes for any organization, teamwork is a must. In my field, if we don't work as a unit, we screw up. Things go wrong and deadlines are not met.

The real problem here is that the Texans are not operating as a TEAM. Now, I feel that the players we have will work very well IF, and I do mean IF, the coaching staff can get them to operate as a unit. A team. Teamwork.

Look at Green Bay, Dallas, Tennessee, San Francisco just to name a few. Granted, some of those teams you have some dead beats but for the most part they are the same group of people made up of champoins. Green bay is the one in that group that comes to mind.

Now, the heartbreaker. Anyone out there felt that the Patriots would be this bad? What are we going to do? Fire Tom Brady who won three Superbowls for the franchise? Every team has its dog days. Some lasts longer than they should. Most cases, it's not the players fault, it's the management staff's fault.
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yeah, the O-line NEVER holds up any of the rushers. Poor David Carr, poor, poor man. Imagine what would happen if the O-line only held up once all game. What are the odds that when they do David Carr does one of his infamous side arm sling throws straight into the upraised hands of a defending lineman, it dings off his hands straight up in the air, is caught by another defender, who runs it back 15 yards for a TD. I mean what are the odds of THAAAAT happening?

Carr isn't the entire problem with the team. But he is ONE of the problems. The sooner some of you golden boy loving Carr fans admit that there is a problem there, the sooner we can stop reading posts about how great he is, and how it is all someone else's fault, and if he only had this, that, or the other, help he would win the Superbowl without even breaking a sweat. Probably even pulling a Manning and go 16-0 or something.

Give me a break.

Carr has some serious development problems. It is quite simply true. Bury your heads in the sand, or put on the Carr loving colored glasses, or whatever else your escape from reality is regarding Carr, but know that there are some people on the board capable of seeing and critiquing players based on their actual playing during the game.

Now do we get rid of him. No. We keep him and draft his replacement so that when we spend the next season with a new coach and scheme, we can build the team and NOT put in a rookie QB in his first year in the NFL.
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Welcome brother Daddypapa to the I love/I hate David Carr front line. This is an on going fight that neither side will ever agree on nor come to mutual terms in which both side can agree. You are in this for the long haul. Welcome.

However it is almost pointless to argue with the Carr haters. Their pure blind hatred for the man prevents them from ever seeing anything positive. This is the group that blames Carr for 9/11.

Calling them armchair QB's or ignorent will always shoot back with the answer, "this is a message board I can say what I want", "It's a free country", or my personal favorite "Your a do-do head."

If you throw stats at them, proving that up until this year he was putting up the same numbers as your Elway's, Farve"s, and Marino's, they will tell stats arent everything. They say that b/c they know this does prove he is pretty darn good and they are too deep in there own hatred to admit they are wrong.

It is too the point when receivers drop the ball it is still Carr's fault. Like when Bradford has a step on two defenders and Carr laid it right into his hands and Bradford dropped it. That was Carr's fault. Of course what the Carr haters say is he should have thrown to Dre so, yes he could get the 1st,but let the time run out on the clock.

Someday Carr will be on another team lighting up the score board and leading his team to divisional tittles and championships. The when the Carr lovers post things like "We told you so" those posts will be conviently moved to forums where they will never be read of seen.
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Wow, a David-Carr-post. Man, haven't seen one of those around in....ohhhhh...6 minutes?

But I digress. I'm one of those fans in the middle. I can admit that Carr has some..."worrisome tendencies". Sure, there are mechanics and things that he hasn't improved since college. I understand that pov.

However, Trent Dilfer has a Superbowl ring.

Think about that for a moment...let it sink in...absorb the full understanding of that reality.

Trent Dilfer has a Superbowl ring....

Man, I get the heeby-jeebies everytime I think about it.

The point being is that you don't have to have a stud QB if you have a good, solid supporting cast and dominant defense.

And personally, I do believe two things: David Carr is a better potential QB than Trent Dilfer, and, we aren't going to find a better QB than what we've already got anytime soon.

So, IMHO, we should keep DC, build a solid, consistent o-line, get a good TE and #2 WR, and see what happens. We'd know soon enough, if he's got a good supporting cast, if it's the QB of the future or not.

Besides, starting over with another rookie QB just makes me uneasy. Dude would suffer the same fate that DC has endured for four seasons. Man, I just don't think I could witness another one of those slaughters.
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