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Old 12-04-2005   #21
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Thats the beauty of living in a free country. I can pass judgement on Carr's performance every Sunday. We all understand the game of football, if it was not so, we wouldn't be here on the message boards debating everything from Carr's performance to who the Texans will draft for next season. Bottom line, Carr is a lame duck... no matter how much time he has to throw.
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Yeeeaaahhh .... I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you here.
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Thats the beauty of living in a free country. I can pass judgement on Carr's performance every Sunday. We all understand the game of football, if it was not so, we wouldn't be here on the message boards debating everything from Carr's performance to who the Texans will draft for next season. Bottom line, Carr is a lame duck... no matter how much time he has to throw.
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More like "We all enjoy the game of football"

No wait, I'm not even so sure about that one.
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Did he say " Carr's a lame duck " or did he say " Hey Carr you better Duck ".
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Why not just for one time, pull Dave and let him see the game from the sideline? No need to call it a benching or such...

It might just help his development process..
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Because we might lose . Actually CC said that young QBs don't do well when they get benched .
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Maybe the Texans should have drafted Harrington...that would have been the answer! He will be available this off-season, maybe the Texans can get him cheap. Then Carr can go anywhere...even the Saints and do better than the Texans.

Before the Texans ownership gives up on Carr they need to give up on the head coach, the offensive coordinator, the offensive line and the running game.

Too bad the 49ers drafted Alex Smith because I would love to see them go after Carr. Or maybe, since Carr grew up a Dallas Cowboys fan he could do there as the replacement to Drew Bledsoe.

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I agree. I think David could do so much better somewhere else. I watched him play at Fresno. I've got to hand it to him, keeping quiet as he's pounded into the ground year after year after year. The guy has class, that's for sure.
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Carr's not young....

4yrs as a starter.....
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I have been reading posts here for quite awhile and finally decided to register and post my own. I can't believe how ignorant some of you are when it comes to David Carr. Did Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw and, oh yeah, Tom Brady win all their Super Bowls on their own? NO! They each had really solid defenses, quality receivers, a good running game and oh yeah, an OFFENSIVE LINE!

If you think just because he was your number one draft choice he should have an "S" on his chest and wear a cape you don't deserve to have a quarterback like David Carr.

You sound just like the Tampa Bay Bucs fans in the mid 80s with a quarterback by the name of Steve Young. Everyone blamed him and look what happened...the team let him get away and he ended up having a Hall of Fame career.

Will the same happen to David Carr? I doubt it. But, he sure as heck doesn't need all this grief from a bunch of armchair knowitalls with 20/20 hindsight.

All the same, go ahead, get rid of David Carr. Bring in Matt Leinart and watch the same thing happen while Carr flourishes with another team.

Or, do the smart thing...draft Reggie Bush and build an offensive line that can stop a rush by any team stronger than Sisters of the Poor.

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OH MY GOD!!!!!! You say "build an offensive line", yet you want to draft Bush!!! Come on! How do you not see the paradox there, you cant just say, build an o-line while not dedicating the draft to it! Over half of the starting LT's in this league are taken in the 1st round, most of them in the top half of the first round. Get a clue!
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Point well taken. I feel that he is damaged goods and probably suffers from shell-shock. <=That is my honest opinion. To think he can play well for ANY team after his beating through 4 years in Houston is crazy talk.
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I think its more of a confidnece thing. The team has done NOTHING to try and stop the sacks in terms of personell. I think if we get D'Brick or Winston, we will see a differance in the way Carr trusts his protection and his game will pick up a level...
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More like "We all enjoy the game of football"

No wait, I'm not even so sure about that one.
There were way to many peopel happy when we lost today, its starting to scare me a little.
The worst part of it is that I am going to college next year in Austin, so this is the lst year I have of watching the Texans every Sunday, and they are on pace for the # 1 pick...
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All the same, go ahead, get rid of David Carr. Bring in Matt Leinart and watch the same thing happen while Carr flourishes with another team.

Or, do the smart thing...draft Reggie Bush and build an offensive line that can stop a rush by any team stronger than Sisters of the Poor.

This is exactly what I am talking about. You said it yourself. Get rid of Carr and watch big things happen with him. While all the other teams are getting better, the Texans will be still trying to get out of the starting gate and get nowhere. I strongly feel that the problem we're having is a managment problem. I also agree there are a very few players that need to go but one of them isn't David Carr. Not just yet. He's not a bad QB. I think he is an accurate QB when given the time to throw the ball.

That is not the fix to get rid of Carr. The problem will still exist and nothing will ever change.
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OH MY GOD!!!!!! You say "build an offensive line", yet you want to draft Bush!!! Come on! How do you not see the paradox there, you cant just say, build an o-line while not dedicating the draft to it! Over half of the starting LT's in this league are taken in the 1st round, most of them in the top half of the first round. Get a clue!

Conventional wisdom is that you draft the best available player in the draft. Do you see a left tackle in the draft as good as Orlando Pace? Neither do I. So, how in the world can you NOT draft Reggie Bush?? How stupid would that be? Now, if you are able to find a team as stupid as the Saints under Mike Ditka who would trade you their entire draft for the rights to Reggie Bush (a la Ricky Williams) then you could use your first pick on a tackle. Otherwise, shut your pie hole unless you can name an LT who deserves to be picked ahead of Reggie Bush.

Frankly, I don't care who they draft. I am a 49ers fan and I am stuck as a fan of another team that sucks right now. I just think David Carr has great abilities and heart but he is stuck on the worst run and least talented team in the league...ok maybe second worst behind the 49ers.

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Conventional wisdom is that you draft the best available player in the draft. Do you see a left tackle in the draft as good as Orlando Pace? Neither do I. So, how in the world can you NOT draft Reggie Bush?? How stupid would that be? Now, if you are able to find a team as stupid as the Saints under Mike Ditka who would trade you their entire draft for the rights to Reggie Bush (a la Ricky Williams) then you could use your first pick on a tackle. Otherwise, shut your pie hole unless you can name an LT who deserves to be picked ahead of Reggie Bush.

Frankly, I don't care who they draft. I am a 49ers fan and I am stuck as a fan of another team that sucks right now. I just think David Carr has great abilities and heart but he is stuck on the worst run and least talented team in the league...ok maybe second worst behind the 49ers.

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I have never seen such a great player, play so bad. It is amazing how someone becomes great by having one good season and one great season at the U, err Fresno State U.
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I have been reading posts here for quite awhile and finally decided to register and post my own. I can't believe how ignorant some of you are when it comes to David Carr. Did Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw and, oh yeah, Tom Brady win all their Super Bowls on their own? NO! They each had really solid defenses, quality receivers, a good running game and oh yeah, an OFFENSIVE LINE!


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Welcome brother Daddypapa to the I love/I hate David Carr front line. This is an on going fight that neither side will ever agree on nor come to mutual terms in which both side can agree. You are in this for the long haul. Welcome.

However it is almost pointless to argue with the Carr haters. Their pure blind hatred for the man prevents them from ever seeing anything positive. This is the group that blames Carr for 9/11.

Calling them armchair QB's or ignorent will always shoot back with the answer, "this is a message board I can say what I want", "It's a free country", or my personal favorite "Your a do-do head."

If you throw stats at them, proving that up until this year he was putting up the same numbers as your Elway's, Farve"s, and Marino's, they will tell stats arent everything. They say that b/c they know this does prove he is pretty darn good and they are too deep in there own hatred to admit they are wrong.

It is too the point when receivers drop the ball it is still Carr's fault. Like when Bradford has a step on two defenders and Carr laid it right into his hands and Bradford dropped it. That was Carr's fault. Of course what the Carr haters say is he should have thrown to Dre so, yes he could get the 1st,but let the time run out on the clock.

Someday Carr will be on another team lighting up the score board and leading his team to divisional tittles and championships. The when the Carr lovers post things like "We told you so" those posts will be conviently moved to forums where they will never be read of seen.
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Welcome brother Daddypapa to the I love/I hate David Carr front line. This is an on going fight that neither side will ever agree on nor come to mutual terms in which both side can agree. You are in this for the long haul. Welcome.

However it is almost pointless to argue with the Carr haters. Their pure blind hatred for the man prevents them from ever seeing anything positive. This is the group that blames Carr for 9/11.

Calling them armchair QB's or ignorent will always shoot back with the answer, "this is a message board I can say what I want", "It's a free country", or my personal favorite "Your a do-do head."

If you throw stats at them, proving that up until this year he was putting up the same numbers as your Elway's, Farve"s, and Marino's, they will tell stats arent everything. They say that b/c they know this does prove he is pretty darn good and they are too deep in there own hatred to admit they are wrong.

It is too the point when receivers drop the ball it is still Carr's fault. Like when Bradford has a step on two defenders and Carr laid it right into his hands and Bradford dropped it. That was Carr's fault. Of course what the Carr haters say is he should have thrown to Dre so, yes he could get the 1st,but let the time run out on the clock.

Someday Carr will be on another team lighting up the score board and leading his team to divisional tittles and championships. The when the Carr lovers post things like "We told you so" those posts will be conviently moved to forums where they will never be read of seen.
And you have seen Carr light it up on a regular basis? Has he lived up to his contract? Has he tweaked his game to compensate for his deficiencies? Do you think he is a leader on this team? We pay this guy a lot of money to perform to a certain standard in the NFL. If that standard is not met, finger pointing will occur in the locker room.

Carr haters want to help our sickly QB make it by renegotiating his contract and give him the help he desperatley needs. Carr lovers want to resign him over his market value and then expect to sign the type of players that will help him. It is the Carr lovers who need to tone the volume down.
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I was wondering about all you people who want to get rid of Carr.

Since you fellas know so much about football, I have one question for you. How many years were you all in the NFL and what position did you play in? How about the coaches position.

You know, I tend to agree more with this statement from the people who ARE in the league rather than you wannabe's out there who have never set foot on the field and either played or coached professional football. I agree with these coaches (like Tony Dungy) rather than you people. If you guys have all the answers then quit your jobs and go and do what you feel is necessary to fix the Texans problems since you feel they don't know how.

Geez there are too many armchair QB's out there.

As I always say, if you think it need to be better, then go out and prove it to everybody.

Besides, what if the Texans were, say 9-3. I'll bet you just might have a different viewpoint if the record was reversed. I know for a fact that the coaches and the players know exactly what the problem is better than you or I do.
I guess if Leinart or some other QB hits Johnson in the chest with the ball he will hold onto it. Johnson holds onto that TD pass we win the game. Yeah, its all Carrs fault.
Where's the anti Johnson thread this morning.
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I was wondering about all you people who want to get rid of Carr.

Since you fellas know so much about football, I have one question for you. How many years were you all in the NFL and what position did you play in? How about the coaches position.
I find this as ridiculous a position to debate as any I can find on a message board. I enjoy a good pastry but I can't bake worth a darn. I also have the ability to know a good pastry from a bad pastry even though I would screw one up if I made it myself. I really enjoy a good novel but I can't write worth a flip either....but I can certainly tell when I am reading a worthless, poorly written novel. To tell the forum that they have no reasonable opinion on a football team or player because we can't run a 4.4 forty or do not have a great right arm, or never coached in the NFL is ridiculous.
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Vinny coming out of HS and on my way to TAMU I ran a much 4.3 fourty time. But that does not matter, I agree with you on this one.
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