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Old 12-01-2005   #41
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You just told yourseld to "preach on!"

i have never seen a post on your part that does not bash Carr or DD, big surprise, the streak continues!!!
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Old 12-01-2005   #42
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You just told yourseld to "preach on!"

i have never seen a post on your part that does not bash Carr or DD, big surprise, the streak continues!!!


Not Bash carr as a person just what he has done in the league. get it straight son im sorry youre satisfied with mediocracy
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Billick inherited one of the top 5 greatest defenses of all time, Martz inherited the "Greatest show on turf", I could have coached them to a Super Bowl.
Whoa, hold on a second professor. That would be like saying the current Texans had one of the greatest defenses after we win the Super Bowl next year.

The Ravens were 16-31-1. It is a good thing Billick inherited that great defense, because he certainly had no bearing on taking a lackluster unit under Marvin Lewis' guidance to the Super Bowl.

As far as Martz and his inheritance he took an offense for a team that had not experienced a winning season in ten years. The year before their Super Bowl run they were 4-12.

OK enough of the message board please go back to making a radio out of coconuts, Ginger's brassiere wire and Mr. Howell's pipe.
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Not Bash carr as a person just what he has done in the league. get it straight son im sorry youre satisfied with mediocracy
The point is you took a thread about our coaching staff and there future and posted a, shall we say, "Anti-Carr" take.
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The question about Billick still remains about why he is considered an offensive genius. It has been sited that during his stint Jamal Lewis had the most rushing yards ever for a running back. Does that mean that the offensive coordinator for the Bears with Walter Payton or the coordinator for Barry Sandersí Lions was just as great? Mike Ditka won a Super Bowl using a dominating defense and a great running back. Does that make him an offensive genius? As far as winning a Super Bowl, is Barry Switzer considered an all time great as well because he has a ring? As the Raven defense has degraded over the years, I would hope that the genius of Billick would be able to offset it with an improved offense. However, this development has not happened.

My point about Marvin Lewis is that he has created three top-rated defenses: Ravens, Redskins, and Bengals. The fact that he was able to do this on several different teams says something about his abilities. For that reason, I consider Lewis a much better coach than Billick.

As for Martz against Vermeil, I would again offer that Dick was able to recreate the Rams offense in KC along with the great running game. I feel a great offensive mind would be able to incorporate both running and passing. Most of the greats are also able to game plan to take advantage of a defense. However, Martz has demonstrated a history of forcing the pass regardless of the results. In fact, Martz one visit to the Super Bowl (which was basically Vermeilís team from the previous year) was lost due to his refusal to make use of Marshall Faulk. Since that faithful day, there are been plenty of questionable calls that have cost the Rams a number of games. So, I have to pick Vermeil in this comparison. Finally,
loads of passing yards does not necessarily make a great offense or translate into wins. Otherwise, Kevin Gilbride would also be considered an offensive genius from his Oiler days.

My problem with Billick, Martz, and Casserly is that they all come across as arrogant jerks. They love to talk down to others and prop themselves as these great innovators. For some reason the press parrots these ideas. Yet, most of their success was in a single situation for only a short period of time. Based on their history, I doubt either Martz or Billick would do any better than Capers. I hope that Billick stays in Baltimore and Martz heads out to Oakland.
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The point is you took a thread about our coaching staff and there future and posted a, shall we say, "Anti-Carr" take.


Actually in my Original thread i Never mentioned carr if that makes you feel better i only mentioned Kyle Boller.

And i also said something to the effect that none of this Coaches could have succes here in houston. so i wasnt being anti Carr
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Great post. I agree with your reasoning. And Ron Wolf would be a great choice. Let's hope Bob McNair reads it too.
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The question about Billick still remains about why he is considered an offensive genius. It has been sited that during his stint Jamal Lewis had the most rushing yards ever for a running back. Does that mean that the offensive coordinator for the Bears with Walter Payton or the coordinator for Barry Sanders’ Lions was just as great? Mike Ditka won a Super Bowl using a dominating defense and a great running back. Does that make him an offensive genius? As far as winning a Super Bowl, is Barry Switzer considered an all time great as well because he has a ring? As the Raven defense has degraded over the years, I would hope that the genius of Billick would be able to offset it with an improved offense. However, this development has not happened.

My point about Marvin Lewis is that he has created three top-rated defenses: Ravens, Redskins, and Bengals. The fact that he was able to do this on several different teams says something about his abilities. For that reason, I consider Lewis a much better coach than Billick.

As for Martz against Vermeil, I would again offer that Dick was able to recreate the Rams offense in KC along with the great running game. I feel a great offensive mind would be able to incorporate both running and passing. Most of the greats are also able to game plan to take advantage of a defense. However, Martz has demonstrated a history of forcing the pass regardless of the results. In fact, Martz one visit to the Super Bowl (which was basically Vermeil’s team from the previous year) was lost due to his refusal to make use of Marshall Faulk. Since that faithful day, there are been plenty of questionable calls that have cost the Rams a number of games. So, I have to pick Vermeil in this comparison. Finally,
loads of passing yards does not necessarily make a great offense or translate into wins. Otherwise, Kevin Gilbride would also be considered an offensive genius from his Oiler days.

My problem with Billick, Martz, and Casserly is that they all come across as arrogant jerks. They love to talk down to others and prop themselves as these great innovators. For some reason the press parrots these ideas. Yet, most of their success was in a single situation for only a short period of time. Based on their history, I doubt either Martz or Billick would do any better than Capers. I hope that Billick stays in Baltimore and Martz heads out to Oakland.
Can you please qualify the statment that Marvin Lewis has created three top rated defenses.

None of those teams (Ravens, Redskins, Bengals) were the top defense in yards allowed, points allowed or passing defense under Marvin Lewis' watch. The Ravens were tops in rushing defense in 1999, 2000, which coincided with Billick arriving (1999). The Redksins had one of the best defenses in 2000 which was pre-Lewis (2002).

You feel like tearing down Billick's offensive genius (as I stated before I don't get riled up in what pundits percieve), however, you trumpet Lewis as he is a defensive genius. Pot please meet kettle. Kettle this is pot.
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This is not about judging capers the person its about judging capers the head coach and from that regard I feel no sympathy.

This is his 2nd head coaching job. He obviously is too defensive minded for his own good. He plays defense on defense and plays defense on offense.

I wasn't happy when we got him as head coach the first time so I"m certainly not sad about him leaving. All that said why on earth would we go and get a billick or martz? Has billick developed ONE qb he's had since he's been in b-more?

And Martz. To say he his ridiculous. I"d just be sitting around waiting for him to get fired next. He does'nt know what BALANCE is to save his life.

I'd like to see Kubiak or even the coach from UCLA Dorrell I believe it is. I want someone new and fresh. Not a recyclable.
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