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Old 11-28-2005   #1
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If we take him, Leinart, or Vince...the new GM needs to get whacked asap

This team needs more than any of the 3 could give us, trade down, get as many picks in 06/07 as possible.

If we were 1 player away, fine, but truth is, we ain't even close. Need 2 OL at minimum, FS, CB, couple more LB, a TE.

I think with the 7-9 picks Casserly dumped we might be only a 2-3 players away which is why he needs to go byebye
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This is such a toss-up. Yes, we got needs everywhere on both sides of the ball. But the fact is, a player like Reggie Bush only comes around once every decade. He's arguably the best back to ever play college football. EVER. I just don't think we can pass up on a player like that. A player like Bush is just too good to pass up on. I mean, it's like saying do we want to draft Lebron James, or should we find players to fill some more immediate needs. I say I want Lebron James.

I wouldn't mind picking up Bush, and than continue to build. Sure it will take a longer time for us to progress, but I think the payoff will be worth it for a player like Bush. Casserly sure has put us in a hole though. He needs to be fired. He has done a total hack-job on our defense. I was just expecting our Oline to be the weak link, but we got weak links everywhere on both sides of the ball. He has set our defense back at least 2-3 years from getting back to where our defense was in our rookie season.

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ALL I can say is LT. The chargers will never regret that pick and when they made they were not even close. They could have traded it but they did not. LT sells tickest even if they are losing and Mcnair is into selling tickets.
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And again I say.. We will NOT take him. Why do we keep posting this? We do not need a RB in our scheme of things and IF we get the first pick, we will be trading down because we can pick up a huge deal since so many are willing to risk so much for a chance at Liehart or Bush. They are much more valuable to us by picks.
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ALL I can say is LT. The chargers will never regret that pick and when they made they were not even close. They could have traded it but they did not. LT sells tickest even if they are losing and Mcnair is into selling tickets.
Very good point. We can't pass on Reggie Bush. This isn't just another star player, he is the best player out of his position in the history of college football. Another Brickshaw Ferguson will come along easily. A Reggie Bush won't. And the fact that Pitts has become solid at LT (to say the least), I'd rather draft a big-time guard that can help us push the pile up front. The Kansas Chief's guards absolute crush people and do wonders for their running backs.
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We can't pass on Reggie Bush. This isn't just another star player, he is the best player out of his position in the history of college football.
That's a very bold statement.
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And again I say.. We will NOT take him. Why do we keep posting this? We do not need a RB in our scheme of things and IF we get the first pick, we will be trading down because we can pick up a huge deal since so many are willing to risk so much for a chance at Liehart or Bush. They are much more valuable to us by picks.
I think you're wrong here. This guy is not just another running back. This guy is not a Ricky Williams, Cadillac Williams, , I could go on and on. This guys is arguably THE BEST RB to play college football EVER. No one on the afformentioned list can even be argued as the best. He is on the level of OJ Simpson, Jim Brown, Dorsett, and Walter Peyton as arguably the best runningback of all time to play college football. And this guy can also do it all a la Marshall Faulk. You DO NOT pass on a guy like this.

I don't care who doesn't fit in with who. When you have a chance to draft the best player EVER at his position (RB no less), you take him. He is worth it simply for franchise reasons. Everyone's going to want to see how Bush does at the professional level. Honestly, I don't think there is a single franshise sans Chargers that would pass on Reggie Bush.

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If we take him, Leinart, or Vince...the new GM needs to get whacked asap

This team needs more than any of the 3 could give us, trade down, get as many picks in 06/07 as possible.

If we were 1 player away, fine, but truth is, we ain't even close. Need 2 OL at minimum, FS, CB, couple more LB, a TE.

I think with the 7-9 picks Casserly dumped we might be only a 2-3 players away which is why he needs to go byebye
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Sorry to bust you bubble guys, but I really do not think Vince is an NFL QB. And this is coming from a UT fan who's looking foward to winning the Rose Bowl this year. His arm is just not suited for the NFL IMO, and I am sure he won't last very long as an NFL QB. He's not accurate, he likes to side-arm the ball simply because he can (he's so tall), and he throws it up to recievers all the time simply because his team is so talented. There is no way his lobbing or his side-arm action would last in the NFL. Do you guys actually watch the games? He really does so well throwing the ball because he's got so much talent around him. I mean, the talent around him is absolutely ridiculous, especially compared to the opposition he's faced this year. He's going to likely be a WR for a team a couple years down the road. If you thought Michael Vick couldn't pass, wait till you see Vince Young in the NFL.

Plus, he's likely going to stay for his senior year. The thought of getting Vince Young is a very long while off.
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I was against signing Bush before, but I don't see how you pass on a guy like that now. If they trade out of the pick they'll never live it down in Houston. I think you have to do it....there's a lot of cap room available for FA help if there's a smarter person making the personnel decisions next season.
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Very good point. We can't pass on Reggie Bush. This isn't just another star player, he is the best player out of his position in the history of college football. Another Brickshaw Ferguson will come along easily. A Reggie Bush won't. And the fact that Pitts has become solid at LT (to say the least), I'd rather draft a big-time guard that can help us push the pile up front. The Kansas Chief's guards absolute crush people and do wonders for their running backs.
What exactly are you basing this on? The best player in his position EVER? Wow. I have not seen that at all. I think he is a very solid player, but I would not call him the best at his position.
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I think you're wrong here. This guy is not just another running back. This guy is not a Ricky Williams, Cadillac Williams, , I could go on and on. This guys is arguably THE BEST RB to play college football EVER. No one on the afformentioned list can even be argued as the best. He is on the level of OJ Simpson, Jim Brown, Dorsett, and Walter Peyton as arguably the best runningback of all time to play college football. And this guy can also do it all a la Marshall Faulk. You DO NOT pass on a guy like this.
Here is something I do not get. First you say he is the best college player EVER. Then you say he on the level of simpson etc as one of the best to play college football. How can he be the best and then a couple sentences later one of the best? Hoenstly, in my opinion the best college back was Barry Sanders and I am not sure if Bush is him. Bush might be a very good back, but Sanders...
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I'd say reggie bush was the best player ever etc. IF he were at least 15 pounds heavier without losing any speed, quickness or agility. right now at a hair over 200lbs. Yes he is bigger than Warrick Dunn, but he is still Michael Vick sized and for that he will always be questioned as a full time back. Although having Davis to share carries in the backfield will make it better, and a new coach (martz will make his attempt) will try to utillize him in rather ingenious ways.(ie WR)
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I think Bush would really help the Texans, I mean he could come in and make an immedieate impact on the team. No disrespect to Wells and Morency, but this guy is definitely able to share the workload with Davis, plus line up at wide receiver, and be a returnman I mean in one pick we add depth and possibly upgrade at 2 positions. Not to mention improved play due to competition cuz if the receivers dont want to give bush playing time at their position they need to step it up. Plus the wear and tear that Davis and Bush will avoid by sharing the workload. Also in Davis you have a good mentor for Bush. The drawback I see is in the coaching, because even though they have wells and morrency right now I dont see either of them really sharing the workload. Wells is almost exclusively a third down back and morrency doesnt get on the field unless dd is hurt. I'd say we could get rid of some other backs (hollings, morency maybe) and be better off with just bush, dd, wells. Hell this team likes to expirement, wells could put in time at tight end i dunno do something, if this team cant utilize bush somehow then you definitely know there is something wrong with the coaching staff. you can address problems on o-line and defense with other picks in the draft or free agency but to not gamble on this kid if we get the first pick would i think not be smart. I could go on but I think this post is long enough already.
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This guys is arguably THE BEST RB to play college football EVER.
Do yourself a favor and look up some rushing stats from the past. There have been a ton of players with better rushing years than Bush has had this year in College. He may be the best back of this class but he hasn't had a historic season.
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Lets go down Can't Miss RB Memory Lane in the 1990's-
Blair Thomas 2 1990
Kijana Carter 1 1995
Lawrence Phillips 6 1996
Tim Biakabutuka 8 1996
Curtis Enis 5 1998
Ricky Williams 5 1999

Trade down and get the value this team desperately needs.
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Lets go down Can't Miss RB Memory Lane in the 1990's-
Blair Thomas 2 1990
Kijana Carter 1 1995
Lawrence Phillips 6 1996
Tim Biakabutuka 8 1996
Curtis Enis 5 1998
Ricky Williams 5 1999

Trade down and get the value this team desperately needs.

At this point, put me down in the trade down camp. Bush might be a great player but I am not sure he would be a great player for us. We have too many needs.

I watched the Fresno State-USC game from start to finish, and despite the gaudy shoe-in for the Heisman stats, Bush almost lost that game for them in the 4th quarter.

I just have a hard time justifying using the first pick on a guy who they don't trust to run up the middle for short yardage.

Just from a cap management perspective, we can't afford to use the 1st pick on anyone.
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For everyone that doesn't want to see reggie bush in a texans uniform, i just have to ask you did you guys see the show he put on against Fresno State? At the time Fresno was ranked number 15 in the nation, and after seeing that i definately want the guy on my team, the guy is a play maker! Thats more than i can say about Domanick Davis, davis is serviceable you have a chance at getting a guy that is going to be in the same league as a LT! Wouldnt that be nice? The question might be if he can stay healthy, jeez i hope he can jus stay healthy the guy is a threat to score every time he touches the ball.....And thank god vince isn't coming out this year the hoopla that would sorround the texans if they didn't draft the guy. I hope the texans decide to pass on Vince he's not going to be a great college qb, if he can't tear up that weak A&M defense he's not going to do it against pro teams, hate to break it to all you Vince Young lovers...
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I meant NFL Qb not college, my bad...
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ALL I can say is LT. The chargers will never regret that pick and when they made they were not even close. They could have traded it but they did not. LT sells tickest even if they are losing and Mcnair is into selling tickets.
sure LT sells tickets, but not nearly as many as a winning team does. look at 2001-2003, LT was doing everything and couldnt get the chargers a winning record, and drew brees was on his way out. what changed in 2004? it's amazing what an offensive line & defense can do for a TEAM. if your idea of fun is watching a superstar on a bad team, then by all means have at it. my idea of fun is watching a winning team in houston. what's funny is most of the people that bush is being likened to have showed that despite their God-like abilities werent good enough to carry a pathetic team.

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