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Old 11-27-2005   #21
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Jimmy Johnson record in Miami -
1996 8-8
1997 9-7
1998 10-6
1999 9-7

I wouldn't say that he sucked in Miami.
Yeah, especially when compared to Dom Capers in Houston -
2002 4-12
2003 5-11
2004 7-9
2005 1-10 and counting

I dunno, but it looks to me like Jimmy Johnson had a winning record overall in Miami.
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Jimmy also built the best team in the last 20 years . At least he has some scoreboard to crow about . Did he win a NCAA championship also . I know thats no Fresno State but its close .
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Carr went 25/34 for 293 yds and 3 TDs and the loss is still his fault. He must've put rohypnol in the defense's Gatorade, because that's the only way to explain how he's responsible for the defense getting violated like they did.
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Jimmy Johnson record in Miami -
1996 8-8
1997 9-7
1998 10-6
1999 9-7

I wouldn't say that he sucked in Miami.
he were referring to draft picks, not record?
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Not being able to make more than one FG in the second half did put pressure on our swiss-cheese defense.
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he were referring to draft picks, not record?

Yes he was, and he still didn't know what he was talking about.
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he were referring to draft picks, not record?

Here are the picks for those 4 years:

1999 1 2 8 39 J.J. Johnson RB Mississippi State
2 2 12 43 Rob Konrad RB Syracuse
3 3 11 72 Grey Ruegamer C Arizona State
4 5 1 134 Cecil Collins RB McNeese State
5 5 9 142 Bryan Jones LB Oregon State
6 6 23 192 Brent Bartholomew P Ohio State
7 7 26 232 Jermaine Haley DT Butte J.C.
8 7 38 244 Joe Wong G Brigham Young

1998 1 1 29 29 John Avery RB Mississippi
2 2 14 44 Patrick Surtain DB Southern Mississippi
3 2 19 49 Kenny Mixon DE Louisiana State
4 3 18 79 Brad Jackson LB Cincinnati
5 3 21 82 Larry Shannon WR East Carolina
6 4 10 102 Lorenzo Bromell DT Clemson
7 5 20 143 Scott Shaw G Michigan State
8 6 18 171 Nathan Strikwerda C Northwestern
9 6 19 172 John Dutton QB Nevada
10 7 21 210 Jim Bundren G Clemson

1997 1 1 15 15 Yatil Green WR Miami (FL)
2 2 14 44 Sam Madison DB Louisville
3 3 13 73 Jason Taylor DE Akron
4 3 32 92 Derrick Rodgers LB Arizona State
5 3 33 93 Ronnie Ward LB Kansas
6 3 36 96 Brent Smith T Mississippi State
7 4 25 121 Jerome Daniels G Northeastern
8 5 19 149 Barron Tanner DT Oklahoma
9 5 27 157 Nick Lopez DE Texas Southern
10 6 3 166 John Fiala LB Washington
11 6 7 170 Brian Manning WR Stanford
12 6 10 173 Mike Crawford LB Nevada
13 6 14 177 Ed Perry TE James Madison
14 7 2 203 Hudhaifa Ismaeli DB Northwestern

1996 1 1 20 20 Daryl Gardener DT Baylor
2 3 18 79 Dorian Brew DB Kansas
3 3 19 80 Karim Abdul-Jabbar RB UCLA
4 4 18 113 Kirk Pointer DB Austin Peay
5 4 23 118 Stanley Pritchett RB South Carolina
6 4 30 125 LaCurtis Jones LB Baylor
7 5 2 134 Jerris McPhail RB East Carolina
8 5 18 150 Shane Burton DT Tennessee
9 5 22 154 Zach Thomas LB Texas Tech
10 6 22 189 Shawn Wooden DB Notre Dame
11 7 21 230 Jeff Buckey G Stanford
12 7 42 251 Brice Hunter WR Georgia
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Hey.... he drafted the 2nd leading scorer in NBA history in the 3rd round.
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Yes he was, and he still didn't know what he was talking about.

Whatever, *****
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Here are the picks for those 4 years:

1999 1 2 8 39 J.J. Johnson RB Mississippi State
2 2 12 43 Rob Konrad RB Syracuse
3 3 11 72 Grey Ruegamer C Arizona State
4 5 1 134 Cecil Collins RB McNeese State
5 5 9 142 Bryan Jones LB Oregon State
6 6 23 192 Brent Bartholomew P Ohio State
7 7 26 232 Jermaine Haley DT Butte J.C.
8 7 38 244 Joe Wong G Brigham Young

1998 1 1 29 29 John Avery RB Mississippi
2 2 14 44 Patrick Surtain DB Southern Mississippi
3 2 19 49 Kenny Mixon DE Louisiana State
4 3 18 79 Brad Jackson LB Cincinnati
5 3 21 82 Larry Shannon WR East Carolina
6 4 10 102 Lorenzo Bromell DT Clemson
7 5 20 143 Scott Shaw G Michigan State
8 6 18 171 Nathan Strikwerda C Northwestern
9 6 19 172 John Dutton QB Nevada
10 7 21 210 Jim Bundren G Clemson

1997 1 1 15 15 Yatil Green WR Miami (FL)
2 2 14 44 Sam Madison DB Louisville
3 3 13 73 Jason Taylor DE Akron
4 3 32 92 Derrick Rodgers LB Arizona State
5 3 33 93 Ronnie Ward LB Kansas
6 3 36 96 Brent Smith T Mississippi State
7 4 25 121 Jerome Daniels G Northeastern
8 5 19 149 Barron Tanner DT Oklahoma
9 5 27 157 Nick Lopez DE Texas Southern
10 6 3 166 John Fiala LB Washington
11 6 7 170 Brian Manning WR Stanford
12 6 10 173 Mike Crawford LB Nevada
13 6 14 177 Ed Perry TE James Madison
14 7 2 203 Hudhaifa Ismaeli DB Northwestern

1996 1 1 20 20 Daryl Gardener DT Baylor
2 3 18 79 Dorian Brew DB Kansas
3 3 19 80 Karim Abdul-Jabbar RB UCLA
4 4 18 113 Kirk Pointer DB Austin Peay
5 4 23 118 Stanley Pritchett RB South Carolina
6 4 30 125 LaCurtis Jones LB Baylor
7 5 2 134 Jerris McPhail RB East Carolina
8 5 18 150 Shane Burton DT Tennessee
9 5 22 154 Zach Thomas LB Texas Tech
10 6 22 189 Shawn Wooden DB Notre Dame
11 7 21 230 Jeff Buckey G Stanford
12 7 42 251 Brice Hunter WR Georgia
if I am not mistaken Jimmy had some probowler that he drafted.. we had 1
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[quote=Goldeagle]. Jimmy Johnson IS NOT THE ANSWER

If he's so good what's he doing on the pregame shows and not on the sidelines
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JJ gets paid a ton of money cut'n up with Howie and Terry ... and then going back to the boat . Which would you pick Tex ?
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There is no doubt JJ would do a better job than Capers, but I don't think he is interested in this job. I am just waiting for the draft at this point. My interest in football has diminished to checking stats for my fantasy league and that is about it.
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JJ as President of Football operations . Jeff Fisher as coach .
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Not being able to make more than one FG in the second half did put pressure on our swiss-cheese defense.

We had three possessions in the second half. Missed Field Goal, Davis does not look for pass and it bounces off his hands for an interception and the FG.

The not being able part was directly related to the defense being unable to handle the third stringer from Harvard !
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Carr played his best game as a Texan today. That being said, I am not sure this team should/or can afford to offer him an $8 million bonus based on one game against the most inexperienced secondary in the NFL. Let's give him a few more games to see where he is at. If he is solid against Baltimore next week and Jax at the end of the year, he may earn his right to stay put.

I do agree that it is time to start making changes. If we are going to fire the coaching staff then do it now. If Casserly is going then do it now. Also, let's play some of the younger guys to see what they have to offer for the future - if anything...

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McNair should definitely reach for the phone. Personally, I would like to see Gary Kubiak. I get fearful of retreads that have already had a few stops. I'd rather give a chance to a young hungry coach that has been around a winning organization for 20 years. He's been to Super Bowls as a player. He's won Super Bowls as an assistant coach. He's been offensive coordinator for a top 5 offense. He's worked closely with a Hall of Fame QB. He'd be the best thing for the offense.
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Carr is not a right off and JIMMY SUCKS! Jimmy had one decent draft with 14 billion picks because Minnesota was so stupid.

PLEASE QUIT WITH THIS JIMMY JOHNSON, LOOK HOW WELL HE DID WITH MIAMI AND REGULAR DRAFT PICKS!

Give Carr an O-line, get a defense that knows how to cover and get a competent coaching staff and GM. Jimmy Johnson IS NOT THE ANSWER!!
Fine, Whatever.

You are correct that Carr is not a "right off". He's not a "left off" either. Nor should he be "written off" which is probably what you meant to say.

Jimmy does not "suck" as you so succinctly put it. Jimmy is a consistant winner who has won in every single place he's coached. He rebuilt and then led the Cowboys to two Super Bowl wins in 1992 and 1993 and is arguably responsible for their win in 1995 as well since Barry Switzer basically got out of the way and let Jimmy's team do what it already knew how to do.

Johnson and the Cowboys had much more than one decent draft with "14 billion picks" in it. He drafted pretty well every single year he was there and his early picks in Dallas seem to benefit more from the very lousy seasons they were coming off of than from sheer number of selections.

In Miami Jimmy Johnson coached from 1996-1999 and as has already been pointed out he never once finished with a less than .500 record despite the fact that he was forced to do everything around Dan "The Untouchable Legacy" Marino. The Dolphins teams he coached always lacked the running game to compliment Marino's passing but that wasn't exactly something that only happened while Jimmy Johnson was at the helm. For a decade Don Shula was unable to find a running back to take some of the load off of Marino. I suppose Shula sucked too huh? Johnson only coached the Dolphins for four years and then retired. Much of the talk surrounding his retirement focused on the frustration he experienced in Miami from coaching a team (specifically the offense) that he couldn't truly rebuild the way he wanted to.

What did the team, made up of many of his players do after he left and Marino (finally) retired?

11-5, 11-5, 9-7, 10-6. Granted the farther away from Jimmy Johnson you get the less credit you can give him for anything related to the team but clearly he built something in his time there. The thing doesn't blow up until Ricky Williams goes nuts and walks away from football. The big change that Wannasted made turned out to be adding the running back that Johnson was looking for and the freedom to do something other than feature Dan "feet of stone" Marino.

Yes get Carr an O-line and get the team a defense that knows how to cover. By all means get the Texans the things they need to succeed. That is completely correct and I can't help but agree with you Goldeagle. All that other stuff about Jimmy Johnson was just drivel though. If you don't think he's right for the Texans then that's fine. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. No need to go over the top saying things that aren't true though.

Hey it's probably a moot point anyway. I doubt he takes the job if it's offered. Bringing the Texans back from the dead isn't going to be much fun.
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They are stuck in that old-school gentlemanly thing where you trade punches all game long and "keep it close to win it" mentality.

Today's NFL is brutal. You MUST have a killer instinct, and this team in Houston--be it the Oilers or the Texans--has only had one such coach who is in the same league as those listed above (and he wasn't even the HEAD coach at the time: Buddy Ryan).

Nice guys finish last in today's NFL.
There are major penalties in place now for some of the plays old school coaches and players would call and play.
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