Just HOW BAD Was The Buchanon Trade? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

yaboycm · 11-24-2005

Instead of Buchanon we could have had the following............

Second round:
Odell Thurman - Future middle linebacker of the Houston Texas. Could have been paired with 1st round draft pick Derrick Johnson. Add Peek and depth to a 4-3 and there are your linebackers of the future for the Texans. Or Matt Jones, Spears, Barron, James, Pollack, etc. But that changes the rest...
Dan Cody
Darrent Williams
Jonathan Babineaux

Third round:
Chris Henry - Ideal #2 receiver with Johnson. Johnson, Henry, Mathis, Armstrong, and Bush would be a good NFL receiver core.
Domonique Foxworth - There is your P-Buch.

WHAT A BAD TRADE

Casserly screws this team so much. Get him out of here!

Hopefully the new GM will see that this is a young, rebuilding team that needs to maximize the potential of the draft.

hot pickle · 11-24-2005

lets see about next season, maybe he will get some work in the offseason and get better, i say give him one more year

Carr Bombed · 11-25-2005

I'm not defending Buchanon, but I don't like the "we could of had" threads. Hindsight is 20/20. You can say that almost about any team/any draft. should we of made the trade, probably not, but hindsight is 20/20

El Tejano · 11-25-2005

We could've been in the Super Bowl if we got all the players from New England to come play for us and hired their coaches too. Problem is A) that didn't happen and B) It doesn't guarantee that our results would be the same.

Doom Capers · 11-25-2005

I don't understand why Buchannon is so bad. They guy has extreme talent, but does not apply it. I think he is a better nickle corner than Faggins. If we can pick up a solid #2 corner, we could keep him around for that/punt returns.

texan767 · 11-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carr Bomb

I'm not defending Buchanon, but I don't like the "we could of had" threads. Hindsight is 20/20. You can say that almost about any team/any draft. should we of made the trade, probably not, but hindsight is 20/20

Yes, Joe Montana didn't go till the 3rd round.
Every team in the league passed on him!
Fire all those GMs!!!
Oh, they're probably all gone by now, anyway...

rittenhouserobz · 11-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carr Bomb

I'm not defending Buchanon, but I don't like the "we could of had" threads. Hindsight is 20/20. You can say that almost about any team/any draft. should we of made the trade, probably not, but hindsight is 20/20

For many people it wasn't hindsight that were looking at. It was foresight. Pbuc had a history of bad play long before he arrieved here.

HJam72 · 11-25-2005

Yeah, I think we were Buchannon's last chance, as a starting corner anyway.

**Double Barrel** · 11-25-2005

P.Buch had question marks on him when he got here, and then add him to a defensive scheme that NONE of our players seem to have any success with, and he looks marginal at best.

Even D.Rob looks like he's regressing, and we know he's got talent. Many of the players on our D had potential before they got here, but now they just look like stupid decisions.

Players or scheme?

nunusguy · 11-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by rittenhouserobz

For many people it wasn't hindsight that were looking at. It was foresight. Pbuc had a history of bad play long before he arrieved here.

Exactly. This wasn't a rookie just drafted from the college ranks, but a veteran NFL player, 3 years in the league. And by virture of being a starter,
his performance on the field had to have been well documeted.
Its bad enough to waste resources by way of burning cap by paying inflated bonus money to FAs like Todd Wade, but unconscionable to exchange 2 first
day draft picks for the likes of PB.

jacquescas · 11-25-2005

Guys buchanon had worn out his welcome in Oakland his value was not a 2nd and 3rd rounder. maybe if we got Woodson and his fat contract situation.

abbest · 11-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by yaboycm

Instead of Buchanon we could have had the following............

Second round:
Odell Thurman - Future middle linebacker of the Houston Texas. Could have been paired with 1st round draft pick Derrick Johnson. Add Peek and depth to a 4-3 and there are your linebackers of the future for the Texans. Or Matt Jones, Spears, Barron, James, Pollack, etc. But that changes the rest...
Dan Cody
Darrent Williams
Jonathan Babineaux

Third round:
Chris Henry - Ideal #2 receiver with Johnson. Johnson, Henry, Mathis, Armstrong, and Bush would be a good NFL receiver core.
Domonique Foxworth - There is your P-Buch.

WHAT A BAD TRADE

Casserly screws this team so much. Get him out of here!

Hopefully the new GM will see that this is a young, rebuilding team that needs to maximize the potential of the draft.

I agree ! Defense wins Super Bowls C`mon the 3-4 is supposed to be a linebacker dominating run stuffing monster. There are no linebackers fitting that description(Babins u got to be kidding) Chuck and Dom, see ya!!!!!

Texas_Thrill · 11-25-2005

I won't go so far as to say our first pick was a waste....how do we know the kid doesn't even start.

I was definitely :brickwall not happy with the TJ pick though. Made no sense if we kept saying all along we won't draft DJ b/c he played in a 4-3 but we'll draft a DT who played in one.

I must agree I was happy about the PBUC trade but of course I hadn't seen him play but once in the pros. I'd NOT heard about the fact that he won't hit even the dummies in practice or that he baths himself in lighter fluid so he can continuously be burnt. BUT HEY ISN'T THAT WHAT THE SCOUTS ARE FOR????

Texas_Thrill · 11-25-2005

You're certainly right there. We have a lot of needs on Defense IMO.

The only person's whose job seems secure is DROB. Everyone else I"m kinda like the jury is still out.

Babin...we moved UP for this kid. I never understood that pick. Peek though a monster is still inconsistent but maybe with time.

I'd like to see us get another ILB and move Wong back outside if we are going to keep him though Wong I'm not even just innnn love with.

I'm starting to get on the AJ HAWK bandwagon more and more here. He really impressed me in the UT-OSU game. Again though....

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A SCOUT....but hey i'm starting to wonder ARE OUR SCOUTS EVEN SCOUTS? lol

Wolf · 11-25-2005

I don't think it is fair yet on the TJ pick.. we still have to see what they do with the 3rd rounder for this years draft.. and it looks to be a high 3rd rounder the way NO is playing

swtbound07 · 11-25-2005

trade it and a first for phillips more famous friend, pat buchannon?:brickwall

11-24-2005	#1
yaboycm Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 217 Rep Power: 0	Just HOW BAD Was The Buchanon Trade? Instead of Buchanon we could have had the following............ Second round: Odell Thurman - Future middle linebacker of the Houston Texas. Could have been paired with 1st round draft pick Derrick Johnson. Add Peek and depth to a 4-3 and there are your linebackers of the future for the Texans. Or Matt Jones, Spears, Barron, James, Pollack, etc. But that changes the rest... Dan Cody Darrent Williams Jonathan Babineaux Third round: Chris Henry - Ideal #2 receiver with Johnson. Johnson, Henry, Mathis, Armstrong, and Bush would be a good NFL receiver core. Domonique Foxworth - There is your P-Buch. WHAT A BAD TRADE Casserly screws this team so much. Get him out of here! Hopefully the new GM will see that this is a young, rebuilding team that needs to maximize the potential of the draft. __________________ Number 10 Young with the Touchdown

11-25-2005	#5
Doom Capers Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Age: 30 Posts: 434 Rep Power: 10	I don't understand why Buchannon is so bad. They guy has extreme talent, but does not apply it. I think he is a better nickle corner than Faggins. If we can pick up a solid #2 corner, we could keep him around for that/punt returns. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/justinofdoom http://groups.myspace.com/garykubiak

11-25-2005	#9
Double Barrel Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Section: Gridiron, Texas Age: 46 Posts: 27,106 Rep Power: 82704	P.Buch had question marks on him when he got here, and then add him to a defensive scheme that NONE of our players seem to have any success with, and he looks marginal at best. Even D.Rob looks like he's regressing, and we know he's got talent. Many of the players on our D had potential before they got here, but now they just look like stupid decisions. Players or scheme? __________________ "FOOTBALL IS ONLY A DIVERSION." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS In Memoriam - 20 little angels

11-25-2005	#13
Texas_Thrill Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: H-Town stomping once again! Age: 33 Posts: 1,473 Rep Power: 11	I won't go so far as to say our first pick was a waste....how do we know the kid doesn't even start. I was definitely :brickwall not happy with the TJ pick though. Made no sense if we kept saying all along we won't draft DJ b/c he played in a 4-3 but we'll draft a DT who played in one. I must agree I was happy about the PBUC trade but of course I hadn't seen him play but once in the pros. I'd NOT heard about the fact that he won't hit even the dummies in practice or that he baths himself in lighter fluid so he can continuously be burnt. BUT HEY ISN'T THAT WHAT THE SCOUTS ARE FOR???? __________________ Texans messageboard.....where everyone is a damn draft expert.

11-25-2005	#14
Texas_Thrill Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: H-Town stomping once again! Age: 33 Posts: 1,473 Rep Power: 11	You're certainly right there. We have a lot of needs on Defense IMO. The only person's whose job seems secure is DROB. Everyone else I"m kinda like the jury is still out. Babin...we moved UP for this kid. I never understood that pick. Peek though a monster is still inconsistent but maybe with time. I'd like to see us get another ILB and move Wong back outside if we are going to keep him though Wong I'm not even just innnn love with. I'm starting to get on the AJ HAWK bandwagon more and more here. He really impressed me in the UT-OSU game. Again though.... DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A SCOUT....but hey i'm starting to wonder ARE OUR SCOUTS EVEN SCOUTS? lol __________________ Texans messageboard.....where everyone is a damn draft expert.

11-24-2005	#2
hot pickle السلام عليكم Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Age: 24 Posts: 2,434 Rep Power: 2073	lets see about next season, maybe he will get some work in the offseason and get better, i say give him one more year

11-25-2005	#3
Carr Bombed Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Wherever the US govt. sends me Posts: 12,619 Rep Power: 18500	I'm not defending Buchanon, but I don't like the "we could of had" threads. Hindsight is 20/20. You can say that almost about any team/any draft. should we of made the trade, probably not, but hindsight is 20/20

11-25-2005	#4
El Tejano Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 9,748 Rep Power: 6842	We could've been in the Super Bowl if we got all the players from New England to come play for us and hired their coaches too. Problem is A) that didn't happen and B) It doesn't guarantee that our results would be the same.

11-25-2005	#8
HJam72 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Over here. Age: 40 Posts: 10,475 Rep Power: 18004	Yeah, I think we were Buchannon's last chance, as a starting corner anyway.

11-25-2005	#11
jacquescas Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 1,323 Rep Power: 11	Guys buchanon had worn out his welcome in Oakland his value was not a 2nd and 3rd rounder. maybe if we got Woodson and his fat contract situation.

11-25-2005	#15
Wolf 100% Texan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kerrville Age: 43 Posts: 35,837 Rep Power: 40809	I don't think it is fair yet on the TJ pick.. we still have to see what they do with the 3rd rounder for this years draft.. and it looks to be a high 3rd rounder the way NO is playing __________________ People who say that they don't know what to get me for my birthday have obviously never been to a liquor store

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