Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-21-2005   #21
NFLforher
All Pro
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 674
Rep Power: 10 NFLforher is a team player
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gpshafer_1976
He over-reacted. Period.

The guy kneed him on accident. And then AJ tried to get up at the same time, and it looked weird the way it all happened. AJ took offense to it, and the CHiefs player only became agitated and mouthy when AJ was clearly starting the whole problem by over-reacting.

Then, AJ fumbles the ball after gaining a first down. He pouts on the sideline after Capers failed to take the time to point out AJ's lack of focus, and then AJ is on the sideline and just stares out into fantasy land knowing full well that the cameras were on him...with a look that was more, "I can't believe this is happening around here" than it was "I got robbed and cheated."

The guy is so dissatisfied with the status quo (as we are) that I think he just blew up after trying to contain it. He's mad as heck, that's for sure.

I like his skills, and I like his overall demeanor. Last night was just a time where he personally failed to check his emotions. Can you blame him? Probably not. Can you blame a bunch of guys in suits? You bet.

He shouldn't have done it. But make no mistake about it, Capers failed to use his authority as a head coach and to at least have a father-to-son talk about the whole incident. AJ did all the talking, Capers did all the listening, and it's just more proof that Capers is done. Toast. Burnt toast.

I can't stand it when head coaches do not chew out a player for dumb penalties and bad judgment (not protecting the ball). That's where a guy like Holmgren or Coughlin shows the team who is boss, and it just serves the team as a reminder that everyone has a part to play...and you better play it to the best of your ability or else.

(sigh)

What a sad sack of a football team.
It looked he was kicked in the head on purpose from where I was looking.
NFLforher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2005   #22
HomeBred_Texan
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Age: 59
Posts: 1,097
Rep Power: 12 HomeBred_Texan is a Pro BowlerHomeBred_Texan is a Pro Bowler
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by run-david-run

PS- love the fact that Mathis did the "x" sign with his arms after he scored the TD.
Maybe I am just getting old, but I noticed this also. Does anyone know the meaning of it?
__________________
The new era has begun.....
HomeBred_Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2005   #23
GP 
Go Texans!
 
GP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: TEXAS!
Posts: 17,747
Rep Power: 50777 GP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Dante Hall (Chiefs) is called "The X Factor" meaning that his return skills are considered to be a factor (maybe THE factor) in any game he plays in.

Dante got his start in NFL Europe many years ago, or that's where he was "discovered" for his talent. I think he has taken at least six returns for touchdowns for the Chiefs, and one season he was just off the charts phenomenal. Seemed like there was not any game that he wasn't busting returns for either touchdowns or very long gains.

So, Mathis flashed the "x factor" after his return Sunday night. It was pretty much Mathis' way of saying there's a new "x factor" in the NFL.

And with the way he had the Chiefs directional kicking, and even pooch kicking for the rest of the game...you gotta admit that teams will be thinking twice about giving him too much room. That results in better field position even if he doesn't return the ball.

That guy is a draft choice made by the very incompetent Casserly, so I guess we better give him back to some other team that passed on him.
GP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2005   #24
HJam72
Hall of Fame
 
HJam72's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Over here.
Age: 41
Posts: 11,526
Rep Power: 73110 HJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

I didn't really think AJ was yelling at Capers. I just thought he was explaining something he was unhappy about. Still, Capers was way too lenient about that situation.
HJam72 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2005   #25
run-david-run
Hall of Fame
 
run-david-run's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The University of Texas
Age: 25
Posts: 3,370
Rep Power: 1331 run-david-run is a quality contributor and well respectedrun-david-run is a quality contributor and well respectedrun-david-run is a quality contributor and well respectedrun-david-run is a quality contributor and well respectedrun-david-run is a quality contributor and well respectedrun-david-run is a quality contributor and well respectedrun-david-run is a quality contributor and well respectedrun-david-run is a quality contributor and well respectedrun-david-run is a quality contributor and well respectedrun-david-run is a quality contributor and well respectedrun-david-run is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to run-david-run
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeBred_Texan
Maybe I am just getting old, but I noticed this also. Does anyone know the meaning of it?
That is the thing Dante Hall does when he takes one to the house, his patented celebration... I guess it was like a changing of the guard...

anyone else realize just how good Mathis is at returning? Dante Hall is tied for most career TD's on returns IN A CAREER with 6!!! Mathis has 2 in about 5 games!!! He could get another couple this season and blow that number out of the water, he almost returned a squib kick back for a TD!!! thats crazy...
__________________
Andre Johnson is The Answer
run-david-run is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2005   #26
rittenhouserobz
Hall of Fame
 
rittenhouserobz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,100
Rep Power: 12 rittenhouserobz is ridin' the pine
Send a message via Yahoo to rittenhouserobz
Default

I refuse toget fired up by the action/inaction of the coaches. I will be content to see the Texans get the overall #1 draft pick, a new GM, and coach. If those three things happen, then I will be happy with the "progress" this team is making.
__________________
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. Ben Franklin
rittenhouserobz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #27
MorKnolle
Hall of Fame
 
MorKnolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,210
Rep Power: 0 MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle MorKnolle
Default

It didn't look like AJ was yelling at Capers at all, just explaining what happened. After AJ had already been tackled that other guy came over kneed him in then helmet and stood over him for a couple seconds, I'd be pissed too. Throwing the ball at him was a mistake that could have gotten him ejected and the penalty took us out of FG range, but I would have like to see Andre tear him in half.
MorKnolle is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 11-22-2005   #28
billtxus
Rookie
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Age: 59
Posts: 43
Rep Power: 0 billtxus is ridin' the pine
Default

Except that the penalty put and end to a drive in Chief's territory, and moved them out of field goal range. This is the kind of lack of discipline the team can't afford. Its too easy to bait players into dumb penalties.
billtxus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #29
touttail
All Pro
 
touttail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Baytown
Age: 59
Posts: 948
Rep Power: 10 touttail is ridin' the pine
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WWJD
Yea he cost the team pretty sure points right there.
I'm sure a field goal then would have made a big difference in the outcome of the game. RB gets 211 yards against our defense. They would have kicked our butt any way or fashion!

bobby 119C:brickwall
touttail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #30
aj.
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4,769
Rep Power: 658 aj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny
I'm sure he was mad at our Coaches for not lighting up the officials when one of our own gets treated like garbage.
I could be mistaken but it appeared to me that Andre was mad at Sammy Knight for kicking him in the head. The sideline exchange appeared to be nothing more than AJ explaining to Capers what happened as he headed to the bench (because Capers called him over to ask him). Yes, it was about as animated as you will ever see AJ but I'm not "sure" that the exchange included anything about Capers or any of the other coaches not "lighting up the officials." That seems to be a bit of a stretch. What I am sure about is that it was probably very difficult, if not impossible for the Texans bench to see anything that happened on the play since it was on the opposite side of the field.
aj. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #31
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
 
Kaiser Toro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Straight Outta Austin
Age: 44
Posts: 16,060
Rep Power: 41444 Kaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aj.
I could be mistaken but it appeared to me that Andre was mad at Sammy Knight for kicking him in the head. The sideline exchange appeared to be nothing more than AJ explaining to Capers what happened as he headed to the bench (because Capers called him over to ask him). Yes, it was about as animated as you will ever see AJ but I'm not "sure" that the exchange included anything about Capers or any of the other coaches not "lighting up the officials." That seems to be a bit of a stretch. What I am sure about is that it was probably very difficult, if not impossible for the Texans bench to see anything that happened on the play since it was on the opposite side of the field.
It does not matter what the Texans bench saw, it matters what AJ felt. As you implied, to get AJ animated takes a lot. I have not been through this type of season as coach or player, but I could easily see how losing like this can begin take a toll on people as every action begets new meaning for an indivdual (not judging right vs wrong). In this circumstance AJ may have been turning a fissure into a fault line for certain camps internally.

Did not mean to be definitive on either take, but really wanted to state that either scenario is plausible.
__________________
Smell the glove is here
Kaiser Toro is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #32
aj.
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4,769
Rep Power: 658 aj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro
It does not matter what the Texans bench saw, it matters what AJ felt.
And I think it matters when our coaches became aware of it.

It would be kind of difficult for our coaches to "light up the officials" before AJ even got to the sideline to tell them what happened (assuming the coaches didn't see it happen - and it took a slo-mo replay for the rest of us to know what happened).

And how do we know that our coaches didn't have a few choice words with the officials after the fact?

I'm disagreeing with the absolute certianty that someone claimed that AJ was upset with the coaches for not sticking up for their players. AJ was obviously upset about what happened to him and after viewing the sideline exchange it appeared to me that Capers was hearing the details for the first time as AJ made his way to the bench - a couple minutes after it happened.

It just seemed like a needless stretch to further batter a coaching staff - a staff who won't be here in 7 weeks anyway - and assert that they don't stick up for their players.

Last edited by aj.; 11-22-2005 at 08:45 PM.
aj. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2005   #33
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
 
Kaiser Toro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Straight Outta Austin
Age: 44
Posts: 16,060
Rep Power: 41444 Kaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aj.
And I think it matters when our coaches became aware of it.

It would be kind of difficult for our coaches to "light up the officials" before AJ even got to the sideline to tell them what happened (assuming the coaches didn't see it happen - and it took a slo-mo replay for the rest of us to know what happened).

And how do we know that our coaches didn't have a few choice words with the officials after the fact?

I'm disagreeing with the absolute certianty that someone claimed that AJ was upset with the coaches for not sticking up for their players. AJ was obviously upset about what happened to him and after viewing the sideline exchange it appeared to me that Capers was hearing the details for the first time as AJ made his way to the bench - a couple minutes after it happened.

It just seemed like a needless stretch to further batter a coaching staff - a staff who won't be here in 7 weeks anyway - and assert that they don't stick up for their players.

Well done, agree on your rebuttal.
__________________
Smell the glove is here
Kaiser Toro is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2005   #34
GP 
Go Texans!
 
GP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: TEXAS!
Posts: 17,747
Rep Power: 50777 GP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respectedGP is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

AJ went into that game wanting to pop someone.

He was steaming, and I like to think that I "read" people pretty well. To me, his actions and his angry staring off into space on the sideline was a signal to McNair up in the luxury seats that the time for political correctness is over.

AJ comes from a program rich in football pride and excellence. Those kind of guys don't take this stuff lightly as if it's just another paycheck every Sunday.

Of all our talent, I'm afraid Aj is the most likely to leave.
GP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2005   #35
Vinny
shiny happy fan
 
Vinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 50
Posts: 21,845
Rep Power: 161784 Vinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respectedVinny is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aj.

It just seemed like a needless stretch to further batter a coaching staff - a staff who won't be here in 7 weeks anyway - and assert that they don't stick up for their players.
I don't see it as a one event situation. He was manhandled a bit on the heavy side early in the game the week before too. I'm sure there are a lot of players placing blame somewhere but they are doing what they are told and shutting their traps. It has to be frustrating. To me it just points to more reasons why to shut down the dead man coaching routine, and deal with this bad team in a completely straight forward manner. I think that when companies keep leadership personnel in place (when everyone in the organization knows he is out the door) in a performance industry is a mistake.
__________________
http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk


"A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
Vinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2005   #36
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
 
Kaiser Toro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Straight Outta Austin
Age: 44
Posts: 16,060
Rep Power: 41444 Kaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respectedKaiser Toro is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

It ain't cool being a jive turkey this close to Thanksgiving and all.

I have to come back to it again, McNair should say that they will be released by the end of the year. At the very least I feel that this will give the whole team something to rally against and actually may put a better prodcut on the field. If we do get smoked on Sunday I think you will see a statement that they are on five weeks notice.
__________________
Smell the glove is here
Kaiser Toro is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2005   #37
Texans Horror
Hall of Fame
 
Texans Horror's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Age: 40
Posts: 2,303
Rep Power: 26 Texans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of Famer
Default

I agree with you that the front office needs to speak directly to the team, players and coaches. They already know what's coming, to a certain degree. I can't think that the players expect Capers to be there next year, or that even Capers expects to be there himself. However, I think it would be a good showing from the front office. It would let the team know that they are all on the same field, sort to speak. My concern is that frustration will create needless injuries.
Texans Horror is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2005   #38
Texans Horror
Hall of Fame
 
Texans Horror's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Age: 40
Posts: 2,303
Rep Power: 26 Texans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of FamerTexans Horror is a Hall of Famer
Default Fuel for the Fire

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigTEXan8
I'm still ticked about AJ's actions. He single-handedly killed two potential scoring drives. Granted, the potential was slim to none, but anything is better than nothing. This entire season is so frustrating, and we still have 6 to go...how sad.
Then you're going to love Dr. Z's comments on Houston in his power rankings:

In the first quarter the Chiefs' Sammy Knight gave wideout Andre Johnson a sneaky knee in the head and Johnson went off. He went after him twice, right smack in front of the referee. Naturally it cost his team 15 yards, and this was while it was still a game. I saw his sideline meeting with coach Dom Capers. Johnson was mad and yapping, Capers was trying to calm him down. Should have been the other way around. That's one of many, many problems.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...rt3/index.html
Texans Horror is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2005   #39
WWJD
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 5,260
Rep Power: 375 WWJD is a quality contributor and well respectedWWJD is a quality contributor and well respectedWWJD is a quality contributor and well respectedWWJD is a quality contributor and well respectedWWJD is a quality contributor and well respectedWWJD is a quality contributor and well respectedWWJD is a quality contributor and well respectedWWJD is a quality contributor and well respectedWWJD is a quality contributor and well respectedWWJD is a quality contributor and well respectedWWJD is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by touttail
I'm sure a field goal then would have made a big difference in the outcome of the game. RB gets 211 yards against our defense. They would have kicked our butt any way or fashion!

bobby 119C:brickwall

At that time I think the game was still somewhat close. But ultimately of course the Chiefs pulled away. I think I just presumed Brown would get a field goal if they hadn't penalized the Texans.
WWJD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2005   #40
Runner
Hubcap Diamond
 
Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,747
Rep Power: 36043 Runner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

I keep trying to obsess about one marginal act by a great character guy in 2 1/2 years, but I just can't do it.

Personally, I wish he would have smacked the guy who picked him up and drove him into the ground a couple of games ago. I guess he waited for the coaches to do something then, or maybe he expected one of the big lineman guys to step up for him. I didn't see any coach or teammate support on that one.

I guess he decided he needed to defend himself against cheap shots, since no one else will.
Runner is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger