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Old 07-28-2004   #101
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SO youre telling me that you would use pretty much a first round pick on a running back, that played in four games at running back in his WHOLE CAREER, BEFORE he tore his knee up? And no, option QB is not the same as running back, because in High School football when running an option or wishbone offense, the QB gets the advantage to pitch the ball if he doesnt have alot of green in front of him. All it is, is either pitching the ball, or sprinting downfield. And besides, in HS, all you need to be a star is speed. And at GT, he was a backup DB. Granted, the four games he played running back, IN COLLEGE, where pretty good, he will end up being a waste of a high second round choice.
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SO youre telling me that you would use pretty much a first round pick on a running back, that played in four games at running back in his WHOLE CAREER, BEFORE he tore his knee up? And no, option QB is not the same as running back, because in High School football when running an option or wishbone offense, the QB gets the advantage to pitch the ball if he doesnt have alot of green in front of him. All it is, is either pitching the ball, or sprinting downfield. And besides, in HS, all you need to be a star is speed. And at GT, he was a backup DB. Granted, the four games he played running back, IN COLLEGE, where pretty good, he will end up being a waste of a high second round choice.
McGahee hasnt even played in one, and everyone thought that the Oakland pick was going to be late in the 2nd round.

his games in college were pretty good??? 160 yards and 4 TDs per game. His college games were unbelievable...
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McGahee hasnt even played in one, and everyone thought that the Oakland pick was going to be late in the 2nd round.

his games in college were pretty good??? 160 yards and 4 TDs per game. His college games were unbelievable...
the key words in your reply, FIDDY, are COLLEGE GAMES! He didnt do SQUAT in THE PROS when he got some carries all season last year, not just against the Jags, but every time he ran. AND DONT SAY, "He was just coming off knee surgery." Because you will be saying that forever because nobody EVER FULLY RECOVERS from an ACL tear. NEVER.
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It wasn't his production alone that led scouts to like Hollings. He has tremendous speed and quickness. If he could be a poor man's Barry Sanders with more speed, I would be all about that.

ps Anyone know if Sanders has the NFL record for most 30+ yard runs that didn't go for a TD? It seems like the guy got caught inside the 10 on long runs all the time.
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top of that McGahee wouldn't have been a starter if it weren't for Gore's injuries

as vinny pointed.. it was a 3rd round supplemental pick that got traded up with the raiders for their #2 pick Hense the raiders just came off a superbowl appearance so who would have known at the time that they would collapse like they did ..At the time of the trade it was a good thing.

If the Texans knew that it would be the 34 or so pick instead of around 60 who knows ... we might have used our regular pick. instead of supplement..
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the key words in your reply, FIDDY, are COLLEGE GAMES! He didnt do SQUAT when he got some carries all season last year, not just against the Jags, but every time he ran. AND DONT SAY, "He was just coming off knee surgery." Because you will be saying that forever because nobody EVER FULLY RECOVERS from an ACL tear. NEVER.
Do you remember the Kansas City game? Because Hollings took 3 straight pitches and got about 9 yards a pop. Yeah, then he fumbled in the 3rd quarter and Capers took him out but I didnt like the draw play for him. Didnt Jamal Lewis tear his ACL 3 years ago??? He looked pretty darn good last year....
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NO WAY he could be a poor mans Barry. There are a few major differences where Barry and Domanick will always get the best of him.....quickness, agility, vision, and cutback ability. Of those abilities, Hollings may have quickness. All Tony Hollings is, is speed. You need more to be a quality RB.
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The reason Lewis got so many yards was because he got more than 30 carries on more than a couple occasions. ALSO, the ravens passing game did not exist untill very late in the season.
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Also, KC had one of the worst run defenses in the league. And he got pitches when the defense was spread out.
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that is because he played against the browns twice
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the key words in your reply, FIDDY, are COLLEGE GAMES! He didnt do SQUAT in THE PROS when he got some carries all season last year, not just against the Jags, but every time he ran. AND DONT SAY, "He was just coming off knee surgery." Because you will be saying that forever because nobody EVER FULLY RECOVERS from an ACL tear. NEVER.
That is just hysterical nonsense. There are varying degrees of surgical need and frankly there is a 98% recovery rate from ACL's now days. This isn't 1984 any longer, and players come back fully able to perform in todays climate. To judge a guy who was in the last stages of rehab is just short sighted.
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Lowe said the advancement in how surgeries are performed has been the biggest reason for quicker - and more successful - recoveries from serious knee injuries.

In the past, doctors attempted to sew the ACL back together in a major operation. Today, surgeons have years of experience with using a slice of the patellar tendon, which connects the lower leg bone to the kneecap and the quadriceps muscle above it, as a replacement for the ACL.

An ACL reconstruction involves drilling holes in the tibia and femur through which the replacement tissue is threaded and attached to the bone. Better instrumentation allows doctors to anchor the graft tightly in the bone and in the right place so the joint is correctly aligned.

If the knee isn't properly aligned or if the new ligament stretches, patients suffer arthritis. Doctors usually wait weeks before reconstructing an ACL until good range of motion returns to the knee and the quadriceps muscle is strengthened. This appears to lower the risk of developing excessive scar tissue, a complication that can cause stiffness.

"If (the surgery) is not done perfectly, it doesn't work," says Lowe, who performs 250 ACL reconstruction surgeries annually.

Doctors are far more aggressive in rehabilitation than in the past, which helps speed up the recovery time. In McGahee's case, he was exercising the knee the day after the surgery, lifting weights within the first week and was off crutches less than four weeks later.

"It needs to become religion," Lowe says. "It has to become part of your life if you want to be who you were after surgery."
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The reason Lewis got so many yards was because he got more than 30 carries on more than a couple occasions. ALSO, the ravens passing game did not exist untill very late in the season.
Yes he did get a lot of carries but he averaged about five and half yards per carry. Yes the passing game didnt exist, but that what makes his yards total even more amazing, the defense brought 8-9 into the box and Lewis still ran over them and around them and then used his speed so he could dance in the endzone....
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DR. Lowe also says," If (the surgery) is not done perfectly, it doesnt work." No Doctor is perfect, i know from...personel experience.
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HE WAS RUNNING BEHIND THE BEST LINEMAN IN THE GAME(who could block multiple defenders)
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DR. Lowe also says," If (the surgery) is not done perfectly, it doesnt work." No Doctor is perfect, i know from...personel experience.
With all of the technology today it is a whole lot easier, machines do a lot for the doctors. I had perfect surgery on my knee, it was cartalige surgery and I can do everything I did before the injury....
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just curious.. do you not like Hollings on a professional level or personal level?

I am just wondering why you don't seem to give him a chance? (also trying to understand where you are coming from)or are you just a big DD fan?

yes. no doctor is perfect.. but the procedure is alot better now and more effective then it was like Vinny said in say 1984
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are you seriously 16 yrs old? No way.
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Im a big DD fan and im trying to understand how yall can write him off for someone else who has PROVED NOTHING. I dont get it.
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are you seriously 16 yrs old? No way.
Yeah, I hurt my knee during basketball practice. My shoe got stuck in the ground after I knocked the ball lose from a freshman and he dived onto my leg. They thought it was an ACL tear but only turned out to be a little cartalidge tear...
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are you joking? How are you a "MODERATOR"?
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