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Old 07-27-2004   #81
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Id rather see us get another quality player, and a draft pick.. and get us a nice BIG north and south runner in next years draft.. someone who could help out davis in goal line situations, and be an actual change of pace.
Can you point to a specific set of downs that Davis had a problem at the goal line last year--particularly where it was his fault rather than a blocking break down?

FYI--the two highest RB's for TD's in a season are Holmes--5' 9" 213lbs and Smith 5' 10" 209lbs--seems like talent (and good blocking) rather than size is the key to TD's.
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I'd keep Hollings. Trading him will only help out another AFC team. and you dont wanna do that.
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I'd keep Hollings. Trading him will only help out another AFC team. and you dont wanna do that.
There are hundreds of reasons to keep Hollings, but that is not one. You cant worry about trading within the conference because the only time you make a deal is when you are sure that you are getting the better end of the deal. With your thinking we would not have Jason Babin or Tony Hollings because we had to make a deal with Oakland to get the pick we used for Hollings...
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Wow, I can't believe the position many of you have taken on Dominick Davis. Comparing him to Gary Brown? The same Gary Brown who played behind a stellar offensive line in mid-season stride?!? The same Gary Brown who never met a donut he never liked?

C'mon, and be for real.

As far as Hollings, I personally never saw him run in college, and frankly it doesn't matter, I saw him last year and he never looked like much to me. I bet you could line up Jamal Lord, pitch him the ball, and he could run around the corner and be as effective or better than Hollings did last year (I know he is coming back from injury). Potential smopential. Time will tell, and I hope I am wrong. The coachs and management are obviously going to give Hollings the benefit of the doubt because they gave up a high second rounder for him but I really don't think he will be traded to Miami before the season.

Anyway, my point is, DD, for a fourth rounder drafted to be a kick return specialist (are those guys usually slow?) inserted mid-season as the starting running back for the Texans and averaging approximately 100 yards should EARN you some respect before people start tearing you down. The guy was a rookie without the benefit of training camp experince and DD was tearing up some good competition. The guy always seemed to be running hard and over people with great vision between the tackles.

Everyone can talk fantasy about what could happen, I could start listing Biakabutuka's, and KiJana Carters, and many others in regards to unseen potential.

Dominick has shown to be productive, a quick study, exhibits a great work ethic, a hard nose runner, keeps his legs pumping, great vision, quick feet, and perhaps he is not the fastest in the 100 yard dash but 4 rushes of 25 yards will still get the Texans in the end zone.

Mark my words that DD, with the benefit of last years experience along with a full training camp this year, combined with the physical improvements of a NFL offseason, will make DD, and the Texans offense a force in the league.

Lastly, don't forget Dominick is also a great receiver out of the backfield!! And don't even give me the Carr used him as a crutch and stunted his potential.

So keep Gary Brown out of the discussion and in the donut shops and recognize the contribution that DD has made to the Texans (for me as a fan, the excitement of a rushing touchdown and a few W's in the win loss. I sincerely hope Tony Hollings errupts into a great back also, but for now, the man who has proven a winner in my book is Dominck Davis.

GO DD!
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I think most people are comparing production and the similar yards pumped out when Brown got his first taste of starting, not builds or anything else. Players are what they are despite what we want them to be. This has been a good discussion and there have been lots of nice personal insights in this thread. Its a good thing.
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...C'mon, and be for real...

....Anyway, my point is, DD, for a fourth rounder drafted to be a kick return specialist (are those guys usually slow?) inserted mid-season as the starting running back for the Texans and averaging approximately 100 yards should EARN you some respect before people start tearing you down. The guy was a rookie without the benefit of training camp experince and DD was tearing up some good competition. The guy always seemed to be running hard and over people with great vision between the tackles....

....Dominick has shown to be productive, a quick study, exhibits a great work ethic, a hard nose runner, keeps his legs pumping, great vision, quick feet, and perhaps he is not the fastest in the 100 yard dash but 4 rushes of 25 yards will still get the Texans in the end zone....
We are being for real. Olandis Gary had about the same stats in about the same number of games.

Kick returners arent 'burners,' that just have great vision. And did anybody read when I posted that DD didnt average 100 yards per game!!!!!!! He averaged 84 yards per start and 74 yards per game!!!!!! And when DD has 4 rushes and each get around 25 yards, PM me and I will post an apology for DD.
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It has been a good debate that I have read.. First off I like DD.. I like that he runs hard and seems to fall forward when he gets tackled.. now for people to say elite.. no.. and I am not going to say Hollings is going to be elite either. Both backs bring something unique to the table

To play Devil's advocate here and add to the debate....
Is DD that good or is it that he is the best we have seen in a Texan's uniform so our expectations of him unrealistic?
kinda like what Billy Miller was to us in our 1st season.. (BTW I like Billy too)

I mention this,because DD ,eventhough winning the rookie of the year, was way behind in the probowl race (it is narrowed given williams retired and portis is in the NFC now)
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I mention this,because DD ,eventhough winning the rookie of the year, was way behind in the probowl race (it is narrowed given williams retired and portis is in the NFC now)
He still will have a hard time. Jamal Lewis, Fred Taylor, Priest Holmes, whoever takes over the Broncos job are canadaties, and LT better get in this year...
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I just can't wait to see how it all plays out this year. Davis had a good first year last year, now we get to see how he will do over a full year. Another first season that compares to Davis was that of Rodney Thomas, who gained over 900 yards but then lost his job to Eddie George. I'm not saying that Davis = Thomas because I think Davis will have a better NFL career than Thomas, but it remains to be seen. I do know that Davis really stepped up last year and that if it wasn't for him, the Texans would have had a very dismal year and we wouldn't have anywhere near the same optimism for the 2004 season.

Tony Hollings will also make things interesting this year. He hasn't had much experience at running back, but Casserly and the scouting staff know a thing or two about talent so I have to assume that if Hollings is healthy he will be a pretty good RB. As just about everyone around here knows, it is the second season after knee surgery when a player will have his full speed and strength back, so the Hollings that we saw last year hopefully isn't the Hollings we will see this year. Hollings should still be developing as a RB just because he hasn't had the reps, especially in the passing game where he has to pick up the blitz. Regardless, we should finally get an idea this season about what kind of talent we have in Tony Hollings.

I think the RB position is very symbolic of the entire Texans team this year. This third year is the first year the Texans have enough talent and depth to be an average team in the NFL. It will be exciting to see how players like Davis, Hollings, Carr, Johnson, Gaffney, Joppru, Wand, Pitts, Peek, Babin, Robinson develop. All 11 of those guys were drafted by the Texans and should see quite a bit of playing time this year. If they play well, this could be a year we all remember for a long time.......the year the Texans served notice that they would be a factor from now on.
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Cass is a fun guy to follow because of some of the unpredictable picks he makes
and he's a real gambler. But this Hollings pick was a real reach that I think may
exceed his grasp by a mile. He used what turned out to be a near first round pick for some guy that had 4 good games in college as a RB. That's it - 4 games. Period. Then he blew out his knee and really hasn't played much since
then (2002) - took all of last year to rehab. McGhee from Miami U. didn't go much higher than this guy and he was a top 5 and established as the best RB in
college before his knee injury. With the emergance of DD, if we could somehow
get a 2 from the Fins for Hollings - take it and run !
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He still will have a hard time. Jamal Lewis, Fred Taylor, Priest Holmes, whoever takes over the Broncos job are canadaties, and LT better get in this year...
Fred Taylor will be passed by DD this year. This is my prediction. KC's OL is beginning to lose players. Holmes' yards are a directly proportional to the OL's performance. LT has even less offensive weapons on his offense now. I think DD has better than average odds of getting to the pro-bowl.
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Fred Taylor is one of the most gifted blends of size and speed in the NFL. Davis will not all of a sudden become more gifted. Ladanian is on a historic rushing pace. Tomlinson is 491 yards off Jim Brown's pace through 48 games, and 17 behind Walter Payton's. It's one thing to have confidence in fellow Texans but when you say Dom Davis is going to be better than Tomlinson you are saying he is on Jim Brown's or Walter Payton's production level.
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LT also has Good Ol' Marty as his head coach, and more than likely will start the season with a rookie QB under center. What does all that add up to? A run first offense. He had an awesome year last year behind a patch-work offensive line. Just imagine what the guy could do behind a Denver or KC type O-Line. That being said, SD doesn't have a great O-Line, but it should be better than last year. Marty is a coach that consistently relies on the run, and LT will see plenty of carries and get plenty of yards. Don't write in DD as a Pro Bowler just yet.
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Better late than never....has Hollings been traded yet If he has been good luck in Finn Land....what? You mean its all just rumor and idle speculation

Seriously how ridiculous. C'mon the Finns don't want Hollings anymore than that nunsguy. They should focus on trying to trade for Rudy out of Cincy or Marshall Faulk from St. Louis.

What did Dominack Davis do to get involved in this remember he was a 4th round draft pick, mostly because of injurys during his college career @ LSU. However in the Texans system, with the revamped line and desire to run first/throw second Dominack Davis stands as good as chance as anybody to make the Pro-Bowl, only time will tell.

One might suppose a Finn 2nd round draft pick in 2005 will be worth close to a Raider 2nd round draft pick in 2004. Keep dreaming...............................
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Cass is a fun guy to follow because of some of the unpredictable picks he makes and he's a real gambler. But this Hollings pick was a real reach that I think may exceed his grasp by a mile.
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according to people from the league, his ability justifies him as a 2nd round selection.....
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Also, the pick was originally a third round pick and an extra "expansion" pick that was traded to the Raiders for their second round choice in a later year. When we drafted Hollings the pick was something like 6 slots variance from our 3rd rounder. At the time we had Allen and Wells. I find it hard to be critical of taking a back with this pick especially since it was an extra pick and we never lost our second rounder.
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HE PLAYED IN FOUR GAMES!!! That is not enough info tho validate A HIGH SECOND ROUND PICK!!! Tony Hollings WILL NOT start in Houston...EVER.
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HE PLAYED IN FOUR GAMES!!! That is not enough info tho validate A HIGH SECOND ROUND PICK!!! Tony Hollings WILL NOT start in Houston...EVER.
I guess you know more than our team of scouts? Hollings was an Option QB in HS and he converted to DB at Georgia Tech. He converted BACK to offense the year before we drafted him.
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HE PLAYED IN FOUR GAMES!!! That is not enough info tho validate A HIGH SECOND ROUND PICK!!! Tony Hollings WILL NOT start in Houston...EVER.
He is coming off of an ACL surgery. What do you want from him.

His ability justfies him as a 2nd round pick, remember that everyone thought Oakland was still going to be good a it was going to be a late 2nd round pick that would be as good as a early 3rd....

And he has already started a game for Houston...
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Geeze lets tell Jamal lord not to even show up either. he hasn't played defensive back.. or lets just let coleman go being he hasn't played much safety..

The Texas took Hollings on what our scouts saw as in speed/ability/vison/talent etc..etc..

maybe it was 4 games at RB but they saw something in him and I am sure they looked at how he did in game film as a defensive back/special teams for GT
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I am not going to say he is going to be elite.. but geeze let the man heal and lets see what he can do before judgement
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