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Old 07-27-2004   #61
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Well have a pat on the back fest if y'all like, but that isn't exactly what happened. 1st Joe Pendry was brought in to coach the interior linemen. He and the other O-line coaches decided with Capers that zone blocking would get the potential from the athletic linemen on the roster and hopefully allow them not only to open holes but make blocks at the second level. When the original announcement was made that was the main selling point along with the comparison to Denver and their ability to get a whole bunch of RB's to produce. It was then noted that DD's patience, decisiveness and burst to the hole would play along well in that system. Hollings' acceleration should also play well in the system.
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I doubt that the fins would trade for hollings due to the fact that travis minor is almost the same as him except for the killer speed that hollings has. But then again they traded a 2nd rounder for feeley. and they would have to change their offense around because williams was a masher between the tackles, so most likely they will sign mack or the lions old rb stewart.
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I think Taylor has lost a little speed because of the hamstring injuries, but I only saw him 2 times last year so I may not be the best person to pass a judgement on him....
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I think Taylor has lost a little speed because of the hamstring injuries, but I only saw him 2 times last year so I may not be the best person to pass a judgement on him....
He sure looked plenty fast on that 62-yard run against us.
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Well, i had a nice conversation(while keeping my mind off work) i gotta go home(where i do not own a cpu). So i want yall to know im not conceding my argument, just gotta go home. Later!
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Top 5 Running Backs
1. LaDanian Tomlinson
2. Jamal Lewis
3. Priest Holmes
4. Shawn Alexander
5. Fred Taylor(when healthy)

Jamal Lewis, Shawn Alexander, & Fred Taylor DO NOT have elite speed.
Jamal Lewis doesnt have elite speed? He's probably the fastest RB of those guys you listed.
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Duce Staley was pretty darn good before he injured his foot 4 years ago. He's lost explosiveness since then.

Frankly, who cares if a RB can break run 80 yards or not... That's not why you run the ball... Dominick Davis has Emmitt Smith speed, strength, and probably quickness- referring to when Emmitt was young. Now, he may not have the vision or some of the intangibles, but I certainly haven't seen anything in him to say his potential is limited.

That being said, Hollings could be a special player, and I'd hate to give him up, especially if the organization believes in him. We certainly don't need Ogunleye and we frankly don't need more draft picks. It's time for these guys to learn to win on the field together. While this team may be a year away from competing at a consistantly elite level, the talent is now in place. Now let's get them out there and see what they can do for a couple of years.
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Beastly probably thought that Gary Brown was elite, too...
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Why would Miami trade one of the best DE's in the NFL for a RB that hasn't proven anyting ? That would make absolutely no sense. The texans would have to offer more than just Hollings in a potential trade, and I don't think the Texans need another OLB that bad. That's why we traded our 2nd and 3rd picks to draft Babin remember ?
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... Joe Pendry was brought in to coach the interior linemen. He and the other O-line coaches decided with Capers that zone blocking would get the potential from the athletic linemen on the roster and hopefully allow them not only to open holes but make blocks at the second level. When the original announcement was made that was the main selling point along with the comparison to Denver and their ability to get a whole bunch of RB's to produce. It was then noted that DD's patience, decisiveness and burst to the hole would play along well in that system. Hollings' acceleration should also play well in the system.
Good explanation, but I would add a point. While we most often mention Denver, I believe the Ravens also employ a zone blocking O-line (generally), with tremendous success. Also, on defense I believe the number of teams playing 3-4 has increased, with more teams saying they will imploy the 3-4 some of the time (the Raiders and C'boys, I believe). With a variable front (4-3 shifting to 3-4), it might be easier for O-linemen to pick up their assignments.

I hope someone with more understanding of O-line play than me will comment on the point that the fluid assignments of a zone blocking scheme help when faced with a shifting defensive front.
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So what if he only gained just over 1,000 yards. You need to take into consideration that he started late in the season...well not late but only played 10 games. With those ten games, that's averaging 100 yards per game and had he played all 16 he probably would have made 1400-1600 yards....if 1600 isn't among the elite...I don't know what is. Sure he didn't make that amount but his average shows that he might have.

Dominic has earned my respect and he's used to being the under dog...that just makes him work harder (from interviews I've seen or read). Either way...I'm glad we have this to debate about......two solid runners.
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With those ten games, that's averaging 100 yards per game and had he played all 16 he probably would have made 1400-1600 yards....if 1600 isn't among the elite...I don't know what is. Sure he didn't make that amount but his average shows that he might have.
DD averaged 84 yards per start, and that would be around 1300 yards over a 16 game season....
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Those of you that are Oilers fans. Remember how Gary Brown had just over 1000 yards with only 8 starts in 1993? He had an awesome 5.1 YPC average that season. The rest of his career, he only had one season where he averaged more than 4.0 YPC (4.3 in 1998).

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/BrowGa00.htm

My point is to be realistic about DD. He could be a star, but one season doesn't make him so. Gary Brown is a perfect example of that.


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Ogre or someone else with good Oilers knowledge--was that more his fault or did the line or something else fail in the subsequent seasons?

And by the way--your link says he averaged 4.3 ypc and got over 1000 yards in 1998.
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Gary Brown had two 1000 yard seasons. One in Houston and one in NY. Brown had excellent O-lines here featuring Brad Hopkins, Kevin Donnalley, Irv Eatman, and Hall-of-Famer Bruce Matthews. The line was not the problem with Brown. Davis and Brown is probably an outstanding comparison.
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I don't think anyone here is knocking DD, but there is definately an attempt to keep his accomplishments in perspective. He did a tremendous job in carrying the load last year, and Hollings will only help alleviate that load this year. Is Hollings or Davis worthy of such high praise early on? No, but being its a Texans message board a bit of 'homerism' clouds all of our perspectives. People are no doubt excited by Hollings potential when watching him perform in college, and people are no doubt excited given Davis performance last season. Let's not be hasty and annoint either of them as a "Elite" running back yet. The preseason will be a good determining factor for Hollings, and if he performs well then the regular season as well. When you have two viable options at any position its natural for their to be competition over who deserves the top spot. All in all I think "Nice problem to have" is the quote that best sums it up.


PS By 'homerism' I didn't mean this.
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Davis and Brown is probably an outstanding comparison.
that was my thinking when i had previously stated that Beastly probably thought that Brown was elite too. Brown had 1,002 yards in just 8 starts. Very close to DD's stats. Lets just hope that DD ends up being the better of the two.
As far as the DD vs TH debate, Ive been saying that TH will eventually be our starter since last years preseason. Last year he was just getting over a serious knee injury. With all this time to fully heal up, Im really thinking of this as his rookie season. He will be making a push for the starter job this time next year. And as long as DD continues to do well, its probably his job to lose. Dont get me wrong, I like DD a lot, he has a very similar build to Emmitt. Whether he can consistently break tackles like 22 could and remain healthy remains to be seen. I just think that Hollings has far more potential.
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Trading Hollings will not be the smart thing to do. Do you really want J. Wells to be the backup? Great pic of Homer, texasguy.
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Ogre or someone else with good Oilers knowledge--was that more his fault or did the line or something else fail in the subsequent seasons?
Gary Brown had his good year when Lo got hurt in that bizarre '93 season. They broke up the team in '94. Brown benefitted greatly from the R&S system. The Oilers led the league in pass attempts for something like 4 straight seasons and defenses never played to stop the Oilers running game because they were too worried about Hill, Givins, Duncan, and Slaughter. Moon was throwing more than 600 times per season back then. Lo had over a grand one season too and he and Pinkett combined for over a grand a couple other years. They may have somewhat similar styles but I don't think these Gary Brown and DD comparisons are all that relevant because the systems they were in are about as 180 out as you can get. Plus, Gary Brown was a 230 lb. RB who could take and dish a helluva lot more pounding than DD.

I hope all this Hollings optimism comes to fruition. A few good games against the likes of Vandy and Kentucky or whoever it was, and a year of spot play and rehab here doesn't give me a whole lot of data points. What I saw last year was a guy with little vision, drive, or cutback ability... unable to function between the tackles (yes, because of the knee). He did show great speed around the corner a few times on the toss-sweeps, but as I've said many times before he gets a rain check for last season because of the rehab. This year we will see whether he's going to be a legit NFL back or not. I hope he does emerge as a serious threat to take DD's job because if that happens, it's nothing but good for the Texans.

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I dunno.. im pretty high on Hollings too.. but also, I think Davis is the man and can probably hold that starting spot for many seasons to come.

Hollings is definatly an enticing possibility for us, but do we need a "change of pace" back that is hardly a change of pace? Id rather see us get another quality player, and a draft pick.. and get us a nice BIG north and south runner in next years draft.. someone who could help out davis in goal line situations, and be an actual change of pace.

on the other hand, getting rid of hollings leaves us with who as a backup? Wells? Davis was injured in like 3 games last season.. so I think its safe to say that he is gonna need someone who can spell him at times.. and I dont think wells is it.
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